tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post1065031218629823651..comments2023-04-10T03:20:23.344-05:00Comments on HanLeiaFanFicWriters: There's a New Book, is Anyone Reading it?Zyrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comBlogger238125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-13063101784553812822017-03-13T09:11:35.073-05:002017-03-13T09:11:35.073-05:00It is immature and NOT funny, as he's a 30-y-o...It is immature and NOT funny, as he's a 30-y-o man and she's in her 20s. They're not kids pushing each other in the school hallways. Again, pushing Han away with her foot in the Sana comic and punching him in Han's book at least was done with a more or less valid excuse, but the racing thing in the latest comic was stupid enough as it was, but then have them throwing things at each other while running?? That's not something I want to see "canonized", and it goes not only against the OT, but against the rest of their other stuff. I know it's a comic and things tend to get a little more fantastic in that medium, but still... NO.<br /><br />I'm grateful that Gray and Hidalgo are quick to shut down all of these ridiculous claims. The Reylos are something special. Here I was, complaining about things in the Potter fandom, thinking other fandoms couldn't be this bad... they're so goddamn stupid I don't even feel bad about it.<br /><br />I'm still not interested in the "Han Solo" movie, I won't watch it, I don't think it's necessary, but I'm refraining from speculating about it until it's released because I have to believe they'll do right by the character. I'll riot if they don't, but meanwhile, all I can complain about is the fact that they didn't cast Vine Guy instead of this dude.OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-17444103283221538982017-03-12T22:00:56.672-05:002017-03-12T22:00:56.672-05:00On the Han Solo movie, right now it's just set...On the Han Solo movie, right now it's just set for a trilogy but apparently Alden DID sign a contract he would come back for additional movies, so I bet if it makes a lot of money (which it will) they do a trilogy. I'll be pissed if Han/Emilia Clarke's character end up getting more love scenes than Han and Leia did in the OT...I have no faith Kasdan will not do something else stupid to further ruin their love story.Ewokkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05890491490654088747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-77668218165342407752017-03-12T21:58:34.460-05:002017-03-12T21:58:34.460-05:00Re: Comics - I like a lot of them (the recent Han ...Re: Comics - I like a lot of them (the recent Han Solo one where he becomes a racer is really good) but the Leia hitting/slapping/kicking Han has gotten REALLY old. I've no doubt the two of them would spar frequently between ANH and ESB, but physically assaulting each other seems really immature. I've counted like 5 times now that Leia has assaulted Han in comics? It's not funny. Oh and the most recent SW comic had Han run Leia over with a speeder during an argument....yeah NO.<br /><br />Reyloers will interpret anything Han and Leia does as "abusive", so the comics may give them more fuel, but they take everything they do and make it into the most horrible interpretation possible. Like Han made a joke to Leia in Bloodline that "after 3 months on a small ship, we're going to want to kill each other" and they were gloating about how this proves Han beat Leia and their relationship was physically abusive and Claudia Gray posted on twitter "No, that's NOT what that line was about, it's just banter". And anyone who thinks Leia would put up with a physically abusive husband and father obviously hasn't watched the OT. Ironically though, these are the same people who think a guy strapping a girl to a chair against her will and mind raping her is him "being a gentleman and romantic" but a black man grabbing her hand makes him illegible to be her love interest and Han making a joke to Leia means their relationship was physically abusive LOL.Ewokkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05890491490654088747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-21905507092721835602017-03-12T21:50:11.517-05:002017-03-12T21:50:11.517-05:00Yeah, I think Chuck didn't pick up on Claudia ...Yeah, I think Chuck didn't pick up on Claudia covering Ben's conception in Bloodline so he decided he wanted his fingers in the pie too since Ben turns out to be such an important character in Star Wars. Kind of like how like 10 different characters stole the Death Star plans....every author wanted their pet character to be part of that. Some people theorize that Han is just clueless about pregnancy times since Leia would have to be pregnant for a year for the conception date to be on Endor! Luckily claire asked Jen Heddle who said to go with Leia's version.<br /><br />As for the wedding, in Shattered Empire we see Han has to go on a mission the day after Endor. Then 20 days later they're separated. So I assume Han came back from his mission, they did a quickie marriage and then they were off on their different mission. Then after the events of Shattered Empire, they reunited, went on their sublight trip and Leia got pregnant (long enough for Han to know), then Han took off on his mission in Life Debt and missed most of her pregnancy.Ewokkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05890491490654088747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-65142238368348199232017-03-12T16:01:26.387-05:002017-03-12T16:01:26.387-05:00No, they don't need more material. That's ...No, they don't need more material. That's part of why I'm dreading 8. It's already toxic as hell in most of fandom - and if Rey doesn't end up Luke's kid or Finn doesn't end up Force sensitive or if Han is blamed for Kylo going bad, well, maybe that explains why they aren't doing a Celebration for 2018....<br /><br />Yeah, I don't want Alden E as Han for even one film, let alone more. To me, this isn't like River Phoenix showing up as young Indy, then all the new versions after that - for one thing, Phoenix was so dead on as young Indy and Ford was there. I know they've dragged Ford and Billy Dee to lunch with these new kids but I guess, to me, if they hadn't done so wrong by the characters in TFA, I wouldn't be so negative. But they did. And all I can think is the new movie, with Kasdan and his son writing, will just grind Han further into the dirt. As the Going Solo folks put it, make him into a loveable scamp, not the guy he was in New Hope...cv73https://www.blogger.com/profile/00172856161533760809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-18459432603450893982017-03-12T15:02:15.137-05:002017-03-12T15:02:15.137-05:00Yeah, I agree it cheapens it.
oh god I thought I&...Yeah, I agree it cheapens it.<br /><br />oh god I thought I'd imagined the "Han Solo" trilogy thing, that it was going to be just the one movie!! I want to cry in rage, I don't want to see the face of Alden Whatever associated with Han Solo for more than one year, I wanted to see little kid Han Solo, or Vine Guy Han Solo if you must, but not this?? Ugh. And I don't think they'd do something that overlaps with the OT, but yeah, it doesn't make much sense. It never made much sense, but it makes less sense.<br /><br />Oh, I agree. They're already turning the arguing on Hoth into a toxic thing, they definitely didn't need more material to fuel their bullshit.OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-32487618986839330042017-03-10T14:19:13.695-06:002017-03-10T14:19:13.695-06:00Oh, I guess it's okay if he doesn't know t...Oh, I guess it's okay if he doesn't know the name, but the idea that that's his first duel with Vader in Empire makes so much sense. He's full of bravado and determination - if he'd fought him so many times before, he wouldn't know he doesn't have much of a chance.<br /><br />2020 movie. Okay, at one point, the next "non saga" movie in 2020 was going to be Boba Fett. But that's off the list now. They signed Nu Han Alden E to a three picture deal. My evil theory is that picture two will be something set between SW and Empire because I can't even picture three movies of Young Han before ANH...<br /><br />Yeah, what annoys me about the violence and the verbal sparring is that everything is getting retconned by certain factions into "reasons why Han and Leia were a bad fit/Kylo went bad" and it's just annoying as hell!!cv73https://www.blogger.com/profile/00172856161533760809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-15269833040148883832017-03-10T13:54:26.354-06:002017-03-10T13:54:26.354-06:00Wait, I just checked--it's hard to explain but...Wait, I just checked--it's hard to explain but, we know it's Yoda because it's illustrated, but what Luke reads from Obi-Wan only talk of a powerful Jedi Master, so it fits. Still, I find the idea that all the new comics fit neatly with the new canon laughable at best. The problem of Vader dueling Luke before ESB still stands, and... you can't possibly have so many adventures within a 2-3 year time span! Idk, I find it hard to believe that they were involved in such high-profile, shouldn't-have-lived-to-tell-it missions.<br /><br />What 2020 movie?? Is there a second "Han Solo" movie planned? Dear lord no.<br /><br />Han is the one who suggests he needs a good reason to be seen leaving, but yeah... I think with what she says afterwards it would have been believable enough. But at least I can admit that was a good excuse. The other comic--well, they're not hitting each other in a typically abusive situation, but it's like the comic makes light of physical violence, making it seem as an acceptable, cute interaction. I can't say if the comic makers thought of it as a set up of them as abusive parents, but because a lot of people are able to pick that as not a cool thing to do, that's what it comes across as. Once again, a lot of the way we interpret it is based on the existence of TFA: I wouldn't have thought it acceptable in any case, but because of TFA, it makes me angrier because I know there are people who are going to hold on to that excuse to shit on the characters.<br /><br />Ugh, what?? There's a new interpretation of that?? I'm so thankful for the kind of people I follow on Tumblr, honestly.<br />OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-26090009395071245522017-03-10T12:59:25.823-06:002017-03-10T12:59:25.823-06:00OtterandTerrier, you hit on my big problem with al...OtterandTerrier, you hit on my big problem with all the new comics - that it's a retro fit so that Han and Leia are "abusive" or the trope we see on Tumblr - "see how crazy they are? Kylo never stood a chance!"<br /><br />Someone posted that about Han riding out to save Luke and saying 'I'll see you in hell!" Probably one of Han's best moments and that's the new interpretation. <br /><br />That's why I have such trouble with the new canon. Everything is now done to set up TFA, so that we can believe they end up there and that their child goes dark and Luke just disappears and Han and Leia were bad for each other...it turns them into plot points in their own saga.<br /><br />And that breaks my heart.cv73https://www.blogger.com/profile/00172856161533760809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-24073837966903907632017-03-10T12:53:30.833-06:002017-03-10T12:53:30.833-06:00The problem is, aren't they saying everything ...The problem is, aren't they saying everything is canon now? It does dilute the movies if Luke knows about Yoda (how!!!) and duels Vader before Bespin, because that moment is so amazing, when he walks up there, with all of his courage because he loves Han and Leia and he came across the galaxy for them...<br /><br />Someone I follow posted a thought that they'll eventually redo the movies, just so it matches the "new" canon. I honestly don't think Disney will make it that far - I think the Han Solo movie is going to be where we start seeing diminishing returns - but...<br /><br />I also think that the 2020 movie will be Han with a new Luke and Leia and some adventure between SW and Empire. Or maybe because they have a Lando too, something after Jedi? <br /><br />That's why I have to say "not my canon." I'm glad, Zyra, there's some explanation for Leia kicking Han but punching him? I can see if it's a rehearsed gag but just cold? Leia is not Marion Ravenwood! She can take Han down with her words alone.cv73https://www.blogger.com/profile/00172856161533760809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-46746215476062654432017-03-10T12:50:49.085-06:002017-03-10T12:50:49.085-06:00@Zyra lol, it's actually more like this: 3PO w...@Zyra lol, it's actually more like this: 3PO was stolen and Luke goes to rescue him, and to pass the time, he reads the diary. The rest of the panels show the story he's reading. So all the art is about Yoda.<br /><br />That's what I meant by toxic. It seems like a trend in these comics to have it as a sort of girl power running gag. In the Sana storyline, like you said, she "kicks" him out of the way to push him with Sana because Imps are arriving (called by Sana) and I think she thought Han set her up, so she's trying to get back to the Rebellion before they capture her. In the Han Solo comic, the thing I didn't like is that in the first issue, she punches Han. BUT, though it seems pretty hard, it's actually a ruse: Han is going on a dangerous undercover mission and they need an excuse for him to be leaving. Leia is shown as being sorry, though, and they don't really leave on bad terms. I just didn't think it was that necessary, it could have been solved differently.<br /><br />However, in the comic I mentioned ("Last flight of the Harbinguer"? something like that), they're fighting to see who gets to captain the ship. Han proposes a race to the cockpit, and Leia says that's ridiculous... to kick him on the shin and have an advantage over him. Then, as they run, she keeps throwing things in his way--it's mentioned she threw VERY hot soup on him. What?? So that one was definitely done for nothing and I hated it. And predictably enough, it set people to say "haha see, they're violent to each other and that's why they were abusive parents" '-'OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-2054392161109212222017-03-10T12:37:53.624-06:002017-03-10T12:37:53.624-06:00Yeah, see, that's what bothers me about the ma...Yeah, see, that's what bothers me about the main series: I get that it makes for cool adventures, but Luke battling Vader 10xtimes when it's very clear in ESB that Bespin is the first time they actually face each other and duel? Luke finding a diary from Obi-Wan so early on that tells all sorts of stories about his childhood and an incredibly detailed story about Yoda? Leia duelling Vader? Everything is a bit too much for me to think of as more than an AU. But some of the old comics did similar things, so I guess fic writers are just better at coming up with cool adventures that can sit comfortably with canon.OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-47393031435557202032017-03-10T12:33:17.767-06:002017-03-10T12:33:17.767-06:00A story about Luke reading about Yoda sounds ridic...A story about Luke reading about Yoda sounds ridiculously boring. It's like reading a book about someone studying. Interesting you mention toxic. As these were coming out I'd seen some pictures online of panels from various comics. And there seem to be a few where Leia hits Han or punches Han or whatever. That's just, well, not ok. And I don't like that something like that is viewed as funny, because it's not. I don't think anyone deserves to get hit, even if it is tiny Leia hitting twice-her-size Han. Really ESPECIALLY in that case, because it doesn't say good things about her if she is going to be punching him in the face, and it doesn't say good things about him if he finds out she's someone who would do that to him and yet he still wants to be with her. Violence is never ok! <br /><br />At least in the ones I read I was happy to see some context to one of these situations that I had initially been irritated about, where it looks like Leia kicks Han pretty hard. But it turns out she was more pushing him with her foot into someone as a distraction, so that made me feel better about that. I'm not sure they will be able to do the same for her literally punching him in the face though, unless it's all part of a ruse as well. Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-71417966169752928352017-03-10T12:26:34.004-06:002017-03-10T12:26:34.004-06:00Wait...Luke reading about Yoda? Between SW and ESB...Wait...Luke reading about Yoda? Between SW and ESB? Because the way he responds onscreen, it's like he's never heard of Yoda before...cv73https://www.blogger.com/profile/00172856161533760809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-14321016475911179722017-03-10T12:23:29.627-06:002017-03-10T12:23:29.627-06:00There are storylines about the main series that I ...There are storylines about the main series that I like and others that are meh. The current volume is Luke reading about Yoda and it was so boring I ditched it; the one before that had Han and Leia behave kinda toxic and OOC to each other, imho, and the art was the worst in the whole series (super down to review that one as well, just to trash it). I like the solo volumes better: Princess Leia, Han Solo, and the 2016 Annual #2, which was very Leia-centric and had a cute H/L moment. There's one thing I dislike about the Han Solo comic, but overall I think it shows wonderful character development for him that is in sync with his OT arc. The little dialogue boxes that have a character narrate their inner thoughts have the sort of analysis you see in fic from people who know what's up. And I reblog the final H/L panel every time it shows up on Tumblr because it's so good!OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-10253834587933345702017-03-10T11:25:56.757-06:002017-03-10T11:25:56.757-06:00I'll be interested to hear what you think when...I'll be interested to hear what you think when you're finished reading it. <br /><br />We haven't done it yet, I haven't read it yet either. I just finished the first I think 12 issues of the new Marvel series that just came out, the one with the Sana Solo story line. I thought that was quite enjoyable. I'm waiting for my Rebel spy to get back to me about the Han Solo comics, haha. But if it's good and I hear it's worth picking up, I probably would.Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-50003496410265519642017-03-10T09:08:14.137-06:002017-03-10T09:08:14.137-06:00:D I have my issues with it and I'm not taking...:D I have my issues with it and I'm not taking the whole package as canon (just borrowing what I like to add to my own headcanons), but I do enjoy devouring all the new material and talking about it. Whether this is the story they always meant to tell or if it's fan service to appease us, I like seeing that in this universe not everything was always gloom and doom and OOC-ness.<br /><br />But... I'm new here. I've been a Harry Potter girl for over ten years, and in the past couple of years I harbored a lot of negativity over certain things happening in the fandom (i.e., the Cursed Child play that is NOT canon). I get that newer HP fans (and even older ones) might find it delightful and be hungry for it, but I see it as betrayal, I don't want anything to do with it, and I wish I could just delete it. I don't want to crap all over people's excitement, but I don't want to be told I'm less of a fan because I'm not excited or interested in it, and I resent that quotes, characterizations and scenes from it are taken as canon and portrayed everywhere in fic and fanart. <br /><br />So, I get older SW fans for resenting anything to do with TFA, because we have a different perspective and fan-history with it.OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-35221547147580531112017-03-10T08:52:52.160-06:002017-03-10T08:52:52.160-06:00I think I didn't read the whole review so as n...I think I didn't read the whole review so as not to spoil myself, just got the general feeling that it was a good H/L book. Ooh, so now you know why I really need to get my hands on any new H/L material after TFA ;)<br /><br />Have you done and/or would anyone be interested in the 2016 Han Solo comic? It's one of my favourites from the new batch, after Princess Leia (but that one doesn't have a big fat shippy moment like Han's does) and I'm always down to talk (fangirl, gush, weep) about it. I wrote a post on the idea of racer!Han in my blog, but not a proper review of the comic.OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-13083102990322821282017-03-09T16:55:31.400-06:002017-03-09T16:55:31.400-06:00Oh, sure, even in my review I got annoyed with som...Oh, sure, even in my review I got annoyed with some of those lines, especially the one about limited kissing, for of course the same reason! But I think overall it has much more good than bad, and it's just a more fun read than so many other books. It was also released during a period of the EU that was pretty much all doom and gloom and Han and Leia's kids being killed off one by one, so to read something else like that was just plain refreshing. <br /><br />I definitely never would've guessed English was your second language. And I would be happy to publish any sort of review of anything from a Han and Leia fan perspective that we haven't reviewed already. In those old reviews we've had some guest reviews before, so if you ever want me to post something here, I'd be glad to. Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-23394923676189890752017-03-09T16:54:12.531-06:002017-03-09T16:54:12.531-06:00I just want to say to the recent commentators....T...I just want to say to the recent commentators....Thank you!! It is so lovely to see a mature adult conversation about the new canon without people trying to tell you it doesn't exist and bashing it without having read it. This is the kind of thing I always wanted to read at this blog! Thank you!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-20255892704955682692017-03-09T16:41:24.241-06:002017-03-09T16:41:24.241-06:00To be fair, I've only read the first scene the...To be fair, I've only read the first scene they have, when they're talking with Luke about whether he should go to Mindor or not, so maybe it gets better, but... Han getting paid for holodramas about his life? That's hilarious, and I'd buy it--in fic. And it's confusing because it says he made a deal after Yavin, but that it was Lando's idea, so which one is it? Or did they go to Yavin after RotJ? I also don't like Leia correcting herself while talking about Bail to call him "my adoptive father", because she hadn't even forgiven Anakin here and I think she'd always think of Bail as her one and only /father/ and everyone else would just have to accept it. And as I flipped through it I found this part where Han says something like "why do we only kiss when we're about to die?" which is also weird. Aren't you guys sleeping together??<br /><br />Anyway, I'm still interested in reading the whole thing before deciding if I like it or not, I have hope.<br /><br />Oh, I just find it hard to focus on podcasts, audiobooks and audio stuff (that isn't songs) in general, but English not being my native language makes it even harder. I'd rather read it or look at a comic!<br /><br />It just occurred to me--I don't know if anyone would be interested, but as I've read and will continue to read all the new canon Han/Leia-related books and comics, if you ever want someone to review them here the way I did with Empire's End (so, ship-focused) I can do that :)OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-30919211388725200522017-03-09T16:20:00.689-06:002017-03-09T16:20:00.689-06:00The NPR radio dramas...yes!
Luke and Han in the s...The NPR radio dramas...yes!<br /><br />Luke and Han in the shelter on Hoth is fantastic.<br /><br />There's two moments of Han in the ANH I will always remember - Han to Leia when they get to Yavin and he finds out Luke is flying "Go talk him out of it, go save his life"<br /><br />Han to Luke when Luke asks why he isn't flying "Because I used up my time and more, long ago."<br /><br />Also helps that I love Perry King who plays Han. Plus you get Mark as Luke!!<br /><br />I have to listen to them again and the new ones!!<br /><br />cv73https://www.blogger.com/profile/00172856161533760809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-79080843001038771042017-03-09T16:01:14.346-06:002017-03-09T16:01:14.346-06:00Oh and I'd be curious to hear what you think o...Oh and I'd be curious to hear what you think of Shadows of Mindor that you don't like. <br /><br />And in spite of the moments where Leia is kind of condescending toward Han in those radio dramas, I'd still recommend them. It's a pretty fun listen, and should be easy to download somewhere off the internet. In fact I'd also strongly recommend the radio dramas of the movies. Especially ANH, as it has a TON of back story stuff for Leia and Luke before we even get to what is the beginning of the actual movie. Pretty interesting stuff.Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-69631742337647939532017-03-09T15:21:22.390-06:002017-03-09T15:21:22.390-06:00There you go: https://hanleiafanficwriters.blogspo...There you go: https://hanleiafanficwriters.blogspot.com.ar/2012/05/lesser-known-eu-dark-empire-radio-drama_14.html<br /><br />I'm not big on radio-anythings and while there are some cute moments, the negative things about the characterizations you mentioned don't make me interested enough in giving it a chance, but I really appreciate the review!OtterAndTerrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321765791490181004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-40054552706029955332017-03-09T14:43:26.024-06:002017-03-09T14:43:26.024-06:00I give up on trying to find the right thread to co...I give up on trying to find the right thread to comment on.<br /><br />I completely get how Leia naming a son Anakin seems- backwards, to say the least. And more so as I think about it, but, I really do like that. It shows that Leia has come to see her father for the man he once was and apart from the man who took so much away from her. I appreciate that.JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.com