tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post2079096586833917362..comments2023-04-10T03:20:23.344-05:00Comments on HanLeiaFanFicWriters: Star Wars Canon About to Get Major Overhaul: What was "Real" May Not Be Much LongerZyrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-88705929291087356252014-01-14T22:50:12.925-06:002014-01-14T22:50:12.925-06:00Hello everyone! Senior in high school now and very...Hello everyone! Senior in high school now and very busy :)<br /><br />I don't know if this has popped up in previous conversations yet, but as much as I hate to say it, I don't see the new trilogy going any other way but Han's death. Harrison's wanted it since the first movie, and if they're paying him what I think they're going to pay him, they're going to do what he wants. If that's the case, keeping Han and Leia apart wouldn't really make sense to me. I would think losing a spouse worse...? I don't know. I just can't invision Harrison wanting anything else but Han to DIE.<br /><br />Also, pretty much dying on the background pic. I don't know how much longer I can deal with immature teenage boys when I have him to compare everyone to ;) !Princess of the Scoundrelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06709631200517715506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-67212667196419166302014-01-14T07:54:26.655-06:002014-01-14T07:54:26.655-06:00You aren't wrong there, Amara, the guy that wr...You aren't wrong there, Amara, the guy that wrote that was so anti EU that it read a lot worse than it probably is. From bits I've been reading, based on Tweets from story group members the canon overhaul is basically just making sure that everything going forward will fit with forthcoming movies better than it has in the past, and they are going to try harder to make sure nothing contradicts something else. Also where necessary, existing EU may be relagates to non canon status if there is no way they can make it fit. That'sa little different from ssaying that everything post ROTJ is going to be hacked up with a chainsaw! Of course we can expect some of the EU to get made Infinities or something, but there's still the possibility some of it might be salvaged in some way. <br /><br />Some fans have suggested a semi reboot, cut off the existing EU at a certain point and the new movies fill in the rest. I agree that cutting it off after the Thrawn trilogy is a great idea. That could work, providing we still get kids named Jacen and Jaina, or at least one kid with one of those names. There could be some back story as to what happened to the other one, and it needn't be too drastic. Maybe they are elsewhere in the galaxy at the time the movies are set? And Mara fans will keep their girl in the canon, but whether she will end up married to Luke is anybody's guess. claire1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285049568087268653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-1210432058489251192014-01-14T07:38:22.048-06:002014-01-14T07:38:22.048-06:00Yes I'm still peeved about Detours being shelv...Yes I'm still peeved about Detours being shelved, that looked like a lot of fun. They say they might use it later on, but I'm not holding my breath. And you really do have to feel for the people who work on all this stuff, I Agee. I feel bad for the EU authors though. It's like Lucasfilm/Disney saying, "yeah thanks for filling the gap, but basically all your books are crap and none of that even happened". I'm kind of hoping we can at least keep Tatooine Ghost in the canon as they don't have kids yet, even if everything else is tossed. It would be a sad day to lose the best Han and Leia book ever written from the "official" timeline. claire1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285049568087268653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-61062464641464731122014-01-13T20:08:56.564-06:002014-01-13T20:08:56.564-06:00Let me say first that guy in the article might be ...Let me say first that guy in the article might be biased. It’s really apparent he does not like the EU. Really doesn’t. And I’ve seen another article that didn’t make it sound so scary.<br /><br />I have to agree with others that I’m not overly attached to the EU other than the basics. And certainly would love to jettison parts of it. (Bria anyone?) But I’d be really heartbroken if Han and Leia weren’t married or still married and didn’t have kids. And for that matter Luke as well. After all they went through in the movies, don’t they deserve a happy ending? And that was a really good point about it being professional fanfic. That’s about all it has amounted to and with this change, kind of how it will be now. Some of it’s been good and some of it’s been bad. On the upside at least now I probably don’t need to go back and read it all. I can just read the four and five star ones listed on the right. :)<br /><br />Claire is absolutely correct that Mara fans have a lot more to worry about than we do. She is only based in the EU. What is the likelihood they will keep her? Will she live? What about Chewie?<br /><br />I am cautiously optimistic about it. Cautiously. It is incredibly frustrating that it’s been well over a year and no new information. Cough it up already people! But ROTJ does give me hope that our lovelies will be ok even if the EU is jettisoned. Han and Leia looked ready to buy a house in Jedi. So it seems kind of a moot point to break them up now, especially since it was onscreen and “canon.” Why go to all that trouble to bring them together to just break them up? That movie ended on such a note of hope and family and togetherness that I have a hard time believing they won’t continue it into the new canon. That’s always been one of the draws of the series in the first place.<br /><br />I kind of have a theory of what might be their best approach. Or a possible way to go. Keep Zahn’s Thrawn triology and jettison the rest. That was the original EU. Zahn is a bit of a name and the grandfather of the EU. So this way you don’t step on his toes. Han and Leia stay married with kids. And you get to keep Mara. Just a thought.amara zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344117896874708549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-5698704164357204002014-01-13T20:01:59.056-06:002014-01-13T20:01:59.056-06:00Good to see you JZ and Seams. :)
I'm still pe...Good to see you JZ and Seams. :)<br /><br />I'm still peeved about the whole Celebration/buy out thing. Seams is right that there was a lot of cool energy at the con and we got to see and hear about a lot of neat things. Only to come to find out it's all canceled because of the buy out. AOTC actually looked pretty cool in 3D. And what about Star Wars Detours that they made such a big deal about? They really kind of yanked the carpet out from under us and I have a hard time believing they didn't know it was coming beforehand. I don't even want to think about how it must have been for the actors and writers.amara zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344117896874708549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-37002725024587831552014-01-13T19:54:29.806-06:002014-01-13T19:54:29.806-06:00Well, I can understand why cause it bothers me too...Well, I can understand why cause it bothers me too. We've been caring and associating with these characters for 30 years. So, yeah, it's going to bug us. Darn Lucas for making scoundrels so hot!amara zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344117896874708549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-43792729185489266092014-01-13T19:46:55.869-06:002014-01-13T19:46:55.869-06:00That sounds like a pretty good story to me. Like t...That sounds like a pretty good story to me. Like that idea.<br /><br />And Carrie has joked about playing Mrs. Solo. :)amara zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344117896874708549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-14383085511520821582014-01-13T17:51:26.711-06:002014-01-13T17:51:26.711-06:00The New Republic? What is that? I didn't think...The New Republic? What is that? I didn't think we knew what the name of the movie is and there's been fake trailers going around. Just curious.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />amara zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344117896874708549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-4053302458807639272014-01-13T11:41:20.218-06:002014-01-13T11:41:20.218-06:00I'm going to wait till June 30 to start fretti...I'm going to wait till June 30 to start fretting. My tenure as dept chair will have ended and I can get on with worrying about Things That Matter, like what The New Republic will be like. :)StatsGrandma's Office Hourshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128031887455320394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-1259811435244806932014-01-13T11:11:40.983-06:002014-01-13T11:11:40.983-06:00I'm realizing my bigger issue is the fact that...I'm realizing my bigger issue is the fact that, as I stated above, they keep telling us things like this without really TELLING us anything. You know? If they would just finally let me know who this movie is going to be about and what we're getting ourselves into, I'll feel a lot better. Really, regardless of what the answers to those questions are. I think. I'll probably still be concerned but I'll at least have a clearer idea of what exactly I need to be worried about now.Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-16171612640874395832014-01-13T11:09:48.763-06:002014-01-13T11:09:48.763-06:00We always accept guest stories :)We always accept guest stories :)Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-10326774556405511332014-01-13T07:59:58.722-06:002014-01-13T07:59:58.722-06:00Lol, you and me both, Zolo. But you're so righ...Lol, you and me both, Zolo. But you're so right about that, it's the not knowing that makes it worse, and we still know absolutely NOTHING, which over a year down the line is pretty poor.claire1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285049568087268653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-8209065034499556492014-01-13T07:53:56.576-06:002014-01-13T07:53:56.576-06:00Anyway, on the plus side of all this at least we a...Anyway, on the plus side of all this at least we are not Luke and Mara shippers. Thinking about it I reckon they have a LOT more to be worrying about than we do. Our 'ship is canon, and theirs may not be much longer. If the EU is toast then I think Mara is in big trouble. Similarly though are Jacen and Jaina, which really does sadden me. Even if we get our married Han and Leia in the new trilogy I think it's probably a real stretch to think they are going to give them their EU kids. I just don't see that happening. But I'd like to think if they do have a boy and a girl, even if they aren't twins that they could keep the same names. It would just be beyond weird to have totally different kids for them after 20 years of the old ones. claire1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285049568087268653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-4798720058540482192014-01-13T07:44:11.310-06:002014-01-13T07:44:11.310-06:00I wholeheartedly agree :)I wholeheartedly agree :)claire1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285049568087268653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-64656408110225620542014-01-13T06:13:43.454-06:002014-01-13T06:13:43.454-06:00Well said jz. In the end we will all process the c...Well said jz. In the end we will all process the characters/stories in our own unique ways despite what we read or see or what is deemed official or not. What I feel the most upset about is the human element of corporate mergers,downsizing,upsizing, whatever you call it. When Disney announced Star Wars the Clone Wars was cancelled with no warning, rhyme, or reason it was very devastating to the fans. The actors only had a three day notice before the news went public. I was more upset about the human element of the people who dedicated their lives to creating the show were told thanks but no thanks, clean your desk. I should have never read those articles. James Arnold Taylor, the voice of Obi Wan Kenobi wrote a beautiful and moving letter that brought me to tears. I can't help feel the same way for the authors of the EU, love them or hate them. Now their work which had been widely accepted as canon, is being told in a sense "thanks but no thanks." <br />I will never forget sitting in the DelRay panel at CVVI, standing room only, being surrounded by people who love the EU books. We all were excited to see and listen to the panel of authors (Zahn, Denning, Allston, etc., they were all there). The loud roar when new books were teased and announced. It was electric. What happens to those authors and their work now? Stories are important to our human soul. Some characters/stories really resonate within us. Just because it is fiction does not make it less important. I struggled for a long time and finally accepted that I love certain fictional characters and stories and greatly care about what happens to them. That being said, in the end life goes on and we will all process things in our own way like jz stated. Thank you for letting me express my thoughts. Wishing everyone a healthy and happy 2014.Seams2Behttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15743144026790154782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-79043925950924639512014-01-13T06:12:00.461-06:002014-01-13T06:12:00.461-06:00New stories from you, Zolo? Bring it on! :)New stories from you, Zolo? Bring it on! :)amara zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344117896874708549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-31739808306374559752014-01-12T23:44:48.162-06:002014-01-12T23:44:48.162-06:00I might need to be heavily tranquilized while watc...I might need to be heavily tranquilized while watching this movie. Both for my sake and that of everyone else in the theater. <br />I'll be a complete mess. <br />I'm already stressing out over it. I think the not knowing is making me rather neurotic. <br />This convo is calming me down slightly. Which is good. Very very good. Zolo77https://www.blogger.com/profile/18025887661570434352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-28825240745142133032014-01-12T23:38:26.141-06:002014-01-12T23:38:26.141-06:00I feel like half my life has been spent worrying a...I feel like half my life has been spent worrying about people I have grown to love only to find out they might not exist. I know its stupid, but I'm seriously worried. So - fair warning - I might become (even more) delusional and pretend things have remained the same. Either that or simply create an AU/EU which I'm totes happy with. Actually - that sounds like the best option. I think I'll do that.<br /><br />PS - new Future chapter is up. Go read it. It took me months to do. ;) <br /><br />PPS - I have a few fun shorts I am working on, are we still posting guest stories on here?Zolo77https://www.blogger.com/profile/18025887661570434352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-85039178982177625772014-01-12T23:36:26.607-06:002014-01-12T23:36:26.607-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Zolo77https://www.blogger.com/profile/18025887661570434352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-51850516715001316702014-01-12T18:50:54.879-06:002014-01-12T18:50:54.879-06:00In the Reader's Companion, Pablo Hidalgo write...In the Reader's Companion, Pablo Hidalgo writes that the films and related projects directly developed by Lucasfilms are the only true canon and points out that much of the EU written before the prequels were released contain flat out contradictions to what is now considered canon. He doesn't try to reconcile all this, just points it out and explains it in terms of real-world timelines. I prefer this approach to the retcon approach that tells me that Luke and Leia encountered a Vader clone on Mimban, as if Alan Dean Foster thought up that idea in 1978 or whatever. <br /><br />Here's how I look at it: Lucas just gave me permission to ignore whatever I want in the EU, which I've been doing for years without his blessing. I started writing fan fiction long before I knew what it was for exactly this reason. I didn't like what movies or TV had done to the books I loved and I made up my own version of what happened next that made me happy. <br /><br />As far as the films go, Disney is in this for the long haul and no matter what you want to think about their methods or their attitudes... magic is what they do. They spent far too much money on this franchise to rip it apart completely just because they can. They bought a proven winner. Maybe we won't like what they do. Maybe we will. But I didn't let the prequels ruin this fandom for me. I won't let the next set of films ruin it either. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05541344097109592668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-79152197686443334122014-01-12T12:14:34.554-06:002014-01-12T12:14:34.554-06:00Sorry about the Anonymous -am working on that (I p...Sorry about the Anonymous -am working on that (I posted a comment about Leia's love life this morning and have yet to figure out how to post with my own identity - will work on this)<br />I love Lawrence Kasdan. He spoke was the speaker at my college graduation (alumni) and as a SW fan, I was thrilled. He brought Han and Leia's story together and I don't think Disney or Kasdan (or Lucas for that matter) would disregard that. They are the premier couple in SW land, and their relationship is part of the plot. ROTJ ended with them definitely together. In Indiana Jones, Marion was only in 1 of the first 3 Indy movies. I highly doubt they'd pull another "Let's have them reunite years later" ploy because these are 2 very high profile, successful movie franchises and Harrison Ford is the star of both of them - it'd be repetitive and obvious. I think cutting out the rest or most of the EU (remember, they kept Coruscant from Zahn's work in the first 3 movies) is a good idea - there's too much to keep track of, too much strategy and war stuff. And I think this means everyone's favorite Wookie is alive again! Yay! For how long depends on what is in store for us. Given the fact that the franchise has been around for 40 years, it would not be wise to upset all of the fans. In all, since they waited this long, I'm hopeful that they've let these characters have long, happy lives together after the war before they start messing with them again, unlike in the EU, where every day is a new crisis worse than the next (really, why even bother trying?) I'm sure everyone involved wants to do right by SW, especially if they want it to keep it going, so whatever happens, I'm sure they'll do it in the right way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-58421636934885708362014-01-12T10:29:37.197-06:002014-01-12T10:29:37.197-06:00I'm optimistic. I think Kasdan knows how to r...I'm optimistic. I think Kasdan knows how to reach an audience, and I think he knows what he can and can't get away with. We now have in our family 3 generations of SW fans, and all prefer the OT. There has to be something for everyone, and while the target audience may be 18-35, there are a lot of us that fell in love that are now in our 50s and 60s, and there are plenty of kids under 18 that will want to see it. He'll have to be mindful of that. StatsGrandma's Office Hourshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128031887455320394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-85877315969986750772014-01-12T04:48:47.934-06:002014-01-12T04:48:47.934-06:00I'm loving that so many people are optimistic,...I'm loving that so many people are optimistic, that does make me feel a little better. Keep it up guys :)claire1976https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285049568087268653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-468258672852090152014-01-12T01:22:02.085-06:002014-01-12T01:22:02.085-06:00Loving the new background pic, Zyra!
I'm nerv...Loving the new background pic, Zyra!<br /><br />I'm nervous about the new movies, too. Mainly because Lawrence Kasdan didn't like either H/L or HF in ESB, so I find myself questioning the guy's judgment, and/or sanity..primrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-72435234054546367082014-01-11T22:15:47.342-06:002014-01-11T22:15:47.342-06:00Not terribly attached to the EU. ESB had a great ...Not terribly attached to the EU. ESB had a great script and I'm going to trust Mr. Kasdan to do the same. <br /><br />Zyra, I heartily agree that there was very little in the prequels that would provide any kind of emotional attachment. Even my granddaughter likes episodes 4, 5 and 6 better than 1, 2 and 3. I asked her why and she said she liked the people in ANH, ESB and ROTJ more. The only character she likes in the prequels is Yoda. She was sad when he died in ROTJ but she was happy that he could come back when he was needed. She also loves R2D2. I find it interesting that even at 7 years of age, the characters matter to her. She wasn't grossed out when Han and Leia kissed but she hated it when Anakin and Padme did. <br /><br />I agree with her assessments.StatsGrandma's Office Hourshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06128031887455320394noreply@blogger.com