tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post7213367242870186135..comments2023-04-10T03:20:23.344-05:00Comments on HanLeiaFanFicWriters: Ten Days Later, More Episode 7 TalkZyrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comBlogger241125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-11793365064983148132017-07-27T15:41:15.964-05:002017-07-27T15:41:15.964-05:00You know, I'd assumed the female/male split to...You know, I'd assumed the female/male split too and I still think it is generally true, but as time has passed, it is only generally true. I've run across more guys who didn't like TFA or R1. They are more "meh." than seething, and I've not met a bunch of female fans who love the new beyond the ones who were always going to love the Rey character, that is, those who didn't really like Leia to begin with. So it is still mostly original female fans who are livid, but there are more guys in the mix than I originally thought. See for example a commenter I know: https://medium.com/@EnjoyTheShow/i-am-neither-an-iron-lady-nor-a-steel-magnolia-f318209d60b5Leslie Loftis (AHLondon)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06020350324457740919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-87924796695912488482017-07-27T11:39:46.760-05:002017-07-27T11:39:46.760-05:00Thanks for the link. Looks like a lot of men in th...Thanks for the link. Looks like a lot of men in that group. I feel like most of us angry fans are women. Are a lot of the men angry too?Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-71940543719531125732017-07-27T10:28:30.725-05:002017-07-27T10:28:30.725-05:00Random-ish: so there is a new general fan group on...Random-ish: so there is a new general fan group on Facebook. They started a Han and Leia in TFA discussion. For better, more in-depth analysis, I referred them here. By terms of the group, that means I need to link to them here as well, which is no problem because their other discussions have been great. I've not had this much fun discussing SW in a long time, a long, long time. Since this discussion really, although this wasn't fun because we were (are) so angry. Anyway, group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/434230323433019/?fref=nf Name: The New Hope of Star Wars. If you had been in it before and left, it's picked up in the last two weeks. Leslie Loftis (AHLondon)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06020350324457740919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-27027978231967077632016-01-31T07:41:45.562-06:002016-01-31T07:41:45.562-06:00That line is only in the novelization, not in the ...That line is only in the novelization, not in the actual film. Sharonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029875334499250554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-77810465322087175382016-01-31T07:25:56.138-06:002016-01-31T07:25:56.138-06:00Hello, I'm not sure if anyone is reading this ...Hello, I'm not sure if anyone is reading this blog post this many days later but I wanted to ask if anyone remembers if, just before he left for Starkiller if Han said to Leia, "There's something I've wanted to tell you..." I could have sworn it's in the movie but others have told me it's only in the novelization. Now, I can't remember and it's driving me crazy. Thanks for your help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-37198414416937594002016-01-09T08:16:01.845-06:002016-01-09T08:16:01.845-06:00Was anyone else waiting the whole movie for it to ...Was anyone else waiting the whole movie for it to be revealed that Han's smuggling activities were a cover for Rebellion missions/trying to find Ben? I guess that didn't happen, but until proven otherwise, it's still my headcanon...Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-76422681776292089262016-01-03T19:35:56.045-06:002016-01-03T19:35:56.045-06:00Ruby Red.
I could only bring myself to see the m...Ruby Red. <br />I could only bring myself to see the movie once, and I guess I missed the part where the mission was to destroy Starkiller Base - too distracted and disappointed in the H/L story. And I knew what was coming next. <br />I totally forgot Leia was sending the Resistance to blow it up with her son on it, if necessary. She knew what he'd become. That's why she asked Han to try to bring him home if he saw him.<br />Poor Leia. Disney really screwed up her characterization. She's lost everything she won and found in the OT.<br />I can't see them really using Carrie too much in the next films, either. Maybe her role was cut because of her illness, but I thought she did fine - loved the emotion she put into that hug with Han. But at this point, after what the writers did to her, what's left for her? It's clear they set Leia up to have it be all her fault and for her to blame herself. It's also clear, that this is what set up the new series and it's not her story to tell - not her story to win or lose, because she's not a main character anymore; she's only there so the writers can use her any way they want.<br />I keep thinking Ep. 8 will be kind of like The Karate Kid for some reason, no?<br />And I still think Rey might her hers and Han's - maybe they thought she was dead, that's why they never went looking for her- maybe Luke wanted them to think she was dead as a way to protect her, so it never occurred to either of them that she could be their daughter. Who know?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18115001094230091076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-58576450898000385762016-01-01T16:43:34.294-06:002016-01-01T16:43:34.294-06:00This x 10000000
-kelsThis x 10000000<br />-kelsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-5973855028230128332015-12-31T22:21:56.791-06:002015-12-31T22:21:56.791-06:00I meant "for me," not "for movie.&q...I meant "for me," not "for movie." I type too fast.iluvkoalashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064875064521697144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-9596417804846133542015-12-31T22:21:17.608-06:002015-12-31T22:21:17.608-06:00I agree with your comments. Nothing's wrong w...I agree with your comments. Nothing's wrong with you. You loved the movie and didn't like the Han/Leia stuff. Me, too. I'll probably see it again. I want to see it in 3D. But 8 and 9 are out for movie, unless any resurrection or Han/Leia stuff appears in the movies. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if any of that happened, given the recent news about Rian Johnson & J.J. Abrams' collaboration.iluvkoalashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064875064521697144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-15278037828988133082015-12-31T20:56:58.199-06:002015-12-31T20:56:58.199-06:00For anybody who believes Han was a bad father or e...For anybody who believes Han was a bad father or even a bad husband I say this: a bad father, and even more so, because of the circumstances, a bad husband, does NOT go out out on that bridge. A bad father and bad husband (because Leia asked him to do this) simply turns around and walks away. But NO! He didn't. He didn't turn around and walk away. This man is so dedicated to this woman that he did exactly as she asked fully knowing that it wasn't going to end well. This man loves his son so much that he didn't care how far gone he was. He stepped out on that bridge and took a chance and even when his son stabbed him in the heart (literally and figuratively) he caresses his face saying "Son, I forgive you." Han loves LOVES his family. He told Ben he would do ANYTHING for him. That my friends is not a bad father. That is the best father. And that is an amazing husband because he laid his life on the line for Leia and her happiness. He didn't believe Ben was worth it but he did it for her. <br /><br />As far as fighting, yes Han and Leia fight. They always have. It's part of who they are but their fighting was never to cut too deep. In Empire they fought their feelings for each other and when they got together the fighting pretty much stopped. I am sure they bickered but I don't believe it was ever anything that would tear them apart or scar a child. People who say Han isn't cut out for marriage are looking at an ANH Han and even that Han was longing for a place to belong. He is fundamentally good which makes him part of our "good guys" group. He has a heart of gold. He wasn't going to let Luke face the Death Star on his own and he wasn't going to let Leia martyr herself in that base on Hoth. The man he became in ROTJ was the man he always wanted to be but he couldn't because he was born with nothing and was just trying to get by. But given the chance he did become that man. And I genuinely believe he and Leia have the same fundamental beliefs which is the foundation of a good relationship. They want to help people and they want to make the galaxy a better place. Han may act selfish but it's all a defense mechanism. All this talk that they weren't meant to be together is just dumb. And JJ/Kasdan may have torn them apart but you are blind if you don't see two people desperate to be together in that film. As far as taking their dialogue as literal, look people, Han and Leia have always joked around and had trouble expressing themselves to each other. They'vealways spoken in a "read between the lines" sort of way. I mean come on! "I love you" "I know"! Those are two people that love each other on that screen and Han is devistated that he can't be with her. Devastated! We watch him slowly crumble in that film and when he's in front of her he loses it. Hell, when he first sees Kylo he loses it. His composure drops completely. That is NOT a bad husband or a bad father. <br /><br />Happy New Year people. I'll be in a theater watching TFA at midnight for the seventh time. Yup. Seventh! What's wrong with me!?!JarikSolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12392235112650407700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-48971198320020687542015-12-31T18:07:05.943-06:002015-12-31T18:07:05.943-06:00Same to you and everyone else here.Same to you and everyone else here.iluvkoalashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064875064521697144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-91802975499625691282015-12-31T18:05:24.418-06:002015-12-31T18:05:24.418-06:00http://pre03.deviantart.net/b7ed/th/pre/i/2015/362...http://pre03.deviantart.net/b7ed/th/pre/i/2015/362/9/2/star_wars__the_force_awakens___leia_and_han_solo_by_lostie815-d9lu47h.jpgiluvkoalashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064875064521697144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-67421652492291270912015-12-31T17:58:21.403-06:002015-12-31T17:58:21.403-06:00Not related at all, but happy new year to you all!...Not related at all, but happy new year to you all! I can't help but imagine our favourite couple at some mega inter-galactic bash, ringing in the new year - hehe! Best wishes to you for a fabulous 2016Sharonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029875334499250554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-48888209395504139732015-12-31T17:40:33.191-06:002015-12-31T17:40:33.191-06:00Here is some supposed concept art of Rey and her p...Here is some supposed concept art of Rey and her parents. Note the height difference of her parents:<br /><br />http://www.starwarspost.com/regarding-rey-and-putting-it-all-on-the-table/iluvkoalashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064875064521697144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-65022685817643438422015-12-31T17:08:59.412-06:002015-12-31T17:08:59.412-06:00Don't get too worked up over JC posters not ag...Don't get too worked up over JC posters not agreeing with us. There is a certain demographic over there and, well, it is very different from us. It's always been interesting to me that people can interpret the same thing so differently. We look at Han and Leia's exchanges and see love there and people who were forced apart due to terrible circumstances but wish things could be different. Others will claim that they never loved each other and Han never wanted to settle down or she loved him and he never loved her or something, and it never would've worked out. It's just how it is. Don't worry about it.<br /><br />As for manipulation, honestly, so far anyone we've seen turn to the dark side was heavily manipulated. Anakin didn't fall without some serious coaxing from Palpatine. And now Ben didn't fall without what we assume was serious coaxing from Snoke. And as other posters have said, sometimes there really isn't anything a parent can do, and nothing they themselves did wrong. Sometimes it just happens. <br /><br />And yes, sadly, I know it doesn't make sense for Rey to be Han and Leia's. The flashback vision was so quick but I'm reading that there were flashes of Bespin and stuff? I mean maybe part of that is just where the lightsaber came from, or because Vader is the grandfather, but it really does seem like she is Luke's. I need to just stop finding ways for her to potentially be Han and Leia's because that is only going to be disappointing. <br /><br />Maybe they have another kid who is just hanging out somewhere that wasn't mentioned? Probably not. Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-22420844459365224832015-12-31T15:32:17.688-06:002015-12-31T15:32:17.688-06:00The average JC member is a male in their early 20s...The average JC member is a male in their early 20s. They probably don't have a great relationship with their parents and identify with Kylo seeing Han as a deadbeat dad. They didn't grow up with the OT like we did.<br /><br />It wasn't until I was in my 30s and also when I had kids of my own I realized just how much hard work and how many sacrifices my parents made. I whined about them all the time in my teenage years and 20s. The JC is full of young males looking for a way to sympathesize with Kylo and the easiest way to do that is the "oh his parents didn't love him enough..." trope. Plus, admittedly Han doesn't come off great in TFA being a smuggler and going around swindling people. Only people who've read the Visual Dictionary know that he wasn't doing that during Ben's childhood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-57319080182868712972015-12-31T15:11:01.478-06:002015-12-31T15:11:01.478-06:00Ok I've got to chime in here because the whole...Ok I've got to chime in here because the whole 'they were bad parents' hits a nerve with me! Look parents do their best, they don't come out with a manual and crystal orb! I freaking hate how if anyone does anything wrong it means they had bad parents!!! Wrong! Sometimes people just chose to be selfish! <br /><br />Kylo in this movie comes across as a petty whiney 15 year old who didn't get his way. Look I'm sure his mother was a busy woman and yeah, he and his father didn't have a lot in common. However, it's Ren's PRECEPTION that his parents were a disappointment. Who knows what this young man wanted because guess what JJ doesn't exactly tell us anything. He relies on lazy story telling to get his point across. While I know Han and Leia were not perfect parents I don't believe they caused their son to fall to the darkside. At the end of the day this boy CHOSE! It's about CHOICE!!!!! Kylo choses to follow Snoke and turn his back on his whole family. He choses to kill his father! I'm so sick of this blame the parents routine. You know what not every bad thing that happens to you is your parents fault! Most of the times it's your parents who stand by you when everyone else thinks your butthole! <br /><br />I'm hoping Riam Johnson and the new writers will take a mature approach to this. While everyone likes to pile on George, one thing about the PT you totally understood where Anakin was coming from. You saw exactly how he fell, it was who he CHOSE to trust. <br /><br />I think anymore you just have a bunch a spoiled fanboys that think anyone over 30 is evil and every bad thing that happens it has to be the parents. <br /><br />This hits close to home. I am the oldest of 3. Myself and younger sister have made choices to live on the right side of the law. Our middle sister decided to live on the wrong side. We all 3 had the same upbringing! Showered in love and encouragement. Yet I watched my sister nearly drive my parents apart due her antics. Look sometimes kids just go bad, because of THEM not their parents. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06266143896605520348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-28222835561685332052015-12-31T15:01:08.894-06:002015-12-31T15:01:08.894-06:00I included a scene on the way to the base in my fi...I included a scene on the way to the base in my fic, "without a word", for what it's worth. <br /><br />jzhanfanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-3156395302040765282015-12-31T12:27:27.889-06:002015-12-31T12:27:27.889-06:00http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-not-so-brief-history-of-g...http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-not-so-brief-history-of-george-lucas-talking-shit-abo-1750464055Ewokkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05890491490654088747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-37002313632413157762015-12-31T12:24:33.582-06:002015-12-31T12:24:33.582-06:00The posters on the JC take every line of dialogue ...The posters on the JC take every line of dialogue at face value in TFA. The assumption that Han and Leia had a horrible marriage that had a negative effect on Kylo is from Leia's dialogue that she and Han fought a lot and her line about always hating seeing him leave. The posters on the JC have interpreted that to mean that her and Han were always screaming at each other and that Han was potentially abusive and an alcoholic during their marriage and always taking off to go smuggling instead of being a father. Now, maybe I'm looking at the other extreme of this, but I saw Leia's line as more her fondly remembering their bantering and her line about him always leaving more a reference to the fact that he probably had to travel a lot in his career as a racing pilot. But maybe I'm just as biased at the JC posters who seem insistent that Han was a bad father, who knows?<br /><br />The posters on the JC also assume that Han and Leia breaking up means that they never loved each other to begin with and that they were always too different to make it work, so take what they say with a grain of salt.<br /><br />Good comment about applying real world principles. I had a JC guy snap at me for saying that Ben's fall was purely due to Snoke manipulating him as a "cop-out" like a serial killer saying "the devil made me do it." Yes, in the real world that would be a cop out because the devil doesn't exist but in Star Wars the devil (or the equivalent of it) ACTUALLY DOES EXIST. In the real world, it's true that probably most sociopaths and serial killers have some issues from their childhood (though not all, sometimes people are just born bad seeds), but in Star Wars the Dark Side is a MYSTICAL POWER. Real world analogies are not applicable here.<br /><br />I think Kylo has become a very popular villain, so now everyone's trying to pop psycho-analyze him "Poor Kylo! His parents didn't love him enough, no wonder he went dark!" Wah wah. These are mostly guys in their early twenties who identify with Kylo and have never been parents.Ewokkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05890491490654088747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-52687963628127097192015-12-31T12:05:32.501-06:002015-12-31T12:05:32.501-06:00Going to another viewing in the next few days. wh...Going to another viewing in the next few days. what should I keep an open eye out for? McKakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-85861841017299170552015-12-31T09:51:07.868-06:002015-12-31T09:51:07.868-06:00To Zyra'S point --
Leia would have hated Han ...To Zyra'S point --<br /><br />Leia would have hated Han Solo with the blinding white hot passion of 1000 suns if she thought he were a bad father and blamed Ben's turn on him. There'S no way they would have been that gentle with each other. I saw good parents in awful pain, not bad parents blaming each other.<br /><br />And I'm not sure how it's negligent to send a kid to the Jedi Academy. Are all parents of Jedi then negligent? - kelsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-56869799456890383212015-12-31T09:43:42.149-06:002015-12-31T09:43:42.149-06:00I see little evidence in the film that they were b...I see little evidence in the film that they were bad parents before Kylo went bananas. Leia didn't go Resistance until after the kid turned (lines about them both going back to what they were good at after Kylo was lost) and Han seemingly bailed after the kid was lost as well. Where is this "always fighting" evidence people are talking about? If it is coming from the "there were some good times, it wasn't all bad" line, I think that's a misunderstanding of that line and the character who says it. He's reminding her of all the good times and hoping she still values them, not asking for confirmation that they actually existed.<br /><br />SW fans also seem to be doing a lot of taking the villain at face value. We're not particularly buying into Leia's line that Snoke was manipulating Ben from the moment he was born (why not? She's a known truth-teller, and every child, no matter how good their parents, can be manipulated and has fears to be played on). Did we actually believe Palpatine when he told Anakin that he could bring people back from the dead? No. People in the story believed it, but those of us out here in the real world were like "shyeah, like he can do that." <br /><br />That's why I find it odd that people are so buying what Darth Whiney says here.<br /><br />So while I agree that it is odd that Leia didn't train enough in the Force - which is a kind of unbelievable lapse in character -- I mostly feel that since the "bad parents problem" is something that is so recognizable in the real world and something many people have suffered through, that real world knowledge is being heavily drafted -- and too much utilized - in support of the villain's perspective in the movie. A friend at work did this very thing. He pitched the "bad parents" argument and then transitioned right into,"For example, my mother once..."<br /><br /> It's an easy transition for us to make in the real world, but SW is the world of myth and fairy tale, and this would be like finding out Snow White later became a crappy alcoholic mother. Think about how the world of the story and the OT TOTALLY collapse if these two were bad parents. Then Luke is truly a total screw-up (given that we saw a barely-trained Luke look into the future in ESB), and Han and Leia should never have met. Is this trilogy really planning on saying that? <br /><br />I don't think it is. Never mind how it would be incredibly dark if H/L were transformed from heroes into the ultimate bad guys here (if they were negligent parents, they put the whole galaxy in jeopardy so ultimately all of this bad falls on them), I wouldn't be surprised that if there are flashbacks, given that tptb want to create a "conflicted" villain (why?), they are because Kylo starts to question whether his beliefs that mummy and Dada didn't love him enough are actually true or are Snoke's doing.<br /><br />Anyway, my thoughts, but if H/L turn out to be the true bad guys here and we have yet another film -- this time a fairy tale, taking the vomitously postmodern view that true evil doesn't exist and it is all the fault of a dysfunctional nuclear family that needed therapy -- then that big stompy sound you will be hearing in Ep VIII is the sound of me stomping out of the theatre, knocking over a trashcan or two as I go. - kelsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-23257850117319203032015-12-31T09:25:43.774-06:002015-12-31T09:25:43.774-06:00What Zyra said, just tag well on ff.net and give a...What Zyra said, just tag well on ff.net and give accurate and helpful descriptions. My complaints about searching are really about the older works or the ones by younger writers that aren't tagged well so I'll never find them. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12989469909192001759noreply@blogger.com