tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post8575532899332198490..comments2023-04-10T03:20:23.344-05:00Comments on HanLeiaFanFicWriters: Balance Point - The ReviewZyrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-10964080407048810872019-11-03T15:21:56.266-06:002019-11-03T15:21:56.266-06:00And you know the authors would never DARE make Mar...And you know the authors would never DARE make Mara shave her precious red-gold hair, that the authors themselves practically went on for pages at a time about!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016276911428909505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-89856139784820163302019-10-26T04:51:03.310-05:002019-10-26T04:51:03.310-05:00And the author pulled a cutesy, nasty trick by hav...And the author pulled a cutesy, nasty trick by having Han and Leia ALMOST kiss, then Threepio interrupts them. He said that he wanted to recall their first kiss in ESB, forgetting that they actually SUCCEEDED in kissing (and how!) before Threepio interrupted them.<br /><br />That was especially galling considering how Luke and that orange-haired harpy continued to get borderline R-rated love scenes for the rest of the damn book series. <br /><br />Sorry, I REALLY hate Mara. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016276911428909505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-5996574768200439222019-10-26T04:48:55.879-05:002019-10-26T04:48:55.879-05:00This book and the general Mary-Sue-ifying of Mara ...This book and the general Mary-Sue-ifying of Mara in the NJO, at the expense of Leia -- and the glorifying of Luke/Mara at the expense of Han/Leia, including the nonstop garbage about their stupid Force bond making them better than Han/Leia could hope to be; myself, I think the bond that Han/Leia share, WITHOUT the Force as a crutch, is way better than Luke/Mara's -- made me absolutely hate, loathe and despise Mara. The rest of the series, before and after this book, didn't help. One of the few things I applaud Disney for is kicking the EU, including Mara, to the curb. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016276911428909505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-49486554977666486732017-08-14T18:33:41.363-05:002017-08-14T18:33:41.363-05:00Yes! Paper books for the win! It's funny you l...Yes! Paper books for the win! It's funny you leave this comment today because I'm actually posting the first part of my own in-between-BP-and-Recovery story tomorrow. I'm putting it on Tumblr but I don't think it will be long before I add them to my ff.net. And maybe I'll send one of my older ones Zyra's way.JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-24014488682689440832017-08-14T18:33:00.234-05:002017-08-14T18:33:00.234-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-8715009042141979722017-08-14T17:31:07.180-05:002017-08-14T17:31:07.180-05:00Please, JainaDurron7, share us all the missing mom...Please, JainaDurron7, share us all the missing moments you've written! ♡<br /><br />And Zyra, these reviews are highly appreciated! I'm happy they are so detailed about the most important things, so I don't need to purchase them. That will spare me a lot of wasted energy, because EU-books are quite hard to find. Well, maybe easier as an ebook ,and Youtube has even some of them as audio book, but some how I still consider a book being made of paper! :'DLily Skywalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300836457414365016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-42072692128049347272017-07-12T16:39:18.284-05:002017-07-12T16:39:18.284-05:00Thanks all. I've acquired a copy of Recovery a...Thanks all. I've acquired a copy of Recovery and I look forward to reading it. <br /><br />Zyra, you're an angel. I don't think I could survive some of these books, and I know I couldn't have survived reading them as they were coming out. I bailed out of the EU some time before NJO. <br /><br />I've just read KR's "The Reality of the Love Story" and, although it was beautifully done, it was also rather painful. I'm afraid I've wailed all over her reviews page. lol And now I can't stop thinking about Jaina watching her parents together. Oh, my poor heart. <br /><br />My response, of course, is to dive right back into the fluffiest or silliest stuff I can find (or make)! Erin Darrochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17022044977128626948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-76593006167923806132017-07-12T09:49:34.362-05:002017-07-12T09:49:34.362-05:00Wayback machine link to all of dantsolo's fics...Wayback machine link to all of dantsolo's fics:<br /><br />http://web.archive.org/web/20080203235132/www.swtats.com/han.html<br /><br />Jediofgrace, I love that line too about having parents who love each other. <br /><br />I'll have to re-read a lot of this stuff I'm sure I read once but it's been a while. <br /><br />And Erin, yes, definitely selectively read the EU. I had already read them all anyway so it's too late for me. But I like being able to save the rest of you :) Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-58941649526421184732017-07-12T00:51:36.341-05:002017-07-12T00:51:36.341-05:00Erin Darroch, I was able to download an ebook of S...Erin Darroch, I was able to download an ebook of Star by Star which has Recovery tacked on the end from my library. Not sure if you have that option in the U.K. <br /><br />Zyra, well done review! My fav part of the book is "there's something wonderful about the universe when your parents love each other." Awwww. And I have just the missing moments fic almost done...I've kind of forgotten about it but I'll get back on it. It's from Recovery. <br /><br />Dant Solo once wrote a fic called Oblivion, which was missing moments from BP. I can't find it anymore though except a very chopped up version. Sad face. Jediofgracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166993224369558018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-56870419727522059882017-07-10T12:57:56.938-05:002017-07-10T12:57:56.938-05:00Dont forget Dant Solo's Oblivion.Dont forget Dant Solo's Oblivion. McKakyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18257607791138152735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-33810797350230350132017-07-10T07:08:12.402-05:002017-07-10T07:08:12.402-05:00Didn't KR write a fic with missing moments fro...Didn't KR write a fic with missing moments from this series a long time ago? Let me go dig up the link... The Reality of the Love Story: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3200866/1/The-Reality-of-the-Love-Story - yet again proof that fanfic writers just do it better. Between Zyra's review and this fic I'm set. I don't think I'll need to read the real books! LoveThis!https://www.blogger.com/profile/11844051101715280471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-1152917587939507162017-07-10T01:45:58.613-05:002017-07-10T01:45:58.613-05:00Zyra, your efforts are much appreciated, believe m...Zyra, your efforts are much appreciated, believe me. I can't tell you how much I value being able to selectively read the EU novels for the Han/Leia content without wasting my time on the ones that do them a disservice (or ignore them altogether). <br /><br />Does anyone know where I can lay my hands on a PDF of <em>Recovery</em>? Amazon UK says it's "no longer available". <br /><br />Obviously, with my tendency to devote 10k words to bubble baths and canoodling in the bunkroom, I'm a pretty rubbish writer when it comes to conflict and tension. As a reader, I do appreciate it when others do it well, but I really do NOT like it when it seems wholly contrived and illogical, just a plot device that doesn't make any sense. <em>Of course,</em> Han would be very upset over Chewie's death, and he would grieve hard and maybe feel a prolonged depression over it... but to flee his family and stay gone almost a YEAR, and then to seem still so cold towards Leia after so long? Rubbish. Absolute nonsense. <br /><br />And that information about Kathy Tyers just makes my blood boil. Why oh why could we not have had a Han/Leia 'shipper writing some of this stuff!? Guhhhhhhhh. <br /><br />I like to fantasize about Knighted Rogue being asked to step in and re-write all the post-RotJ novels. If I ever win the lottery, I plan on hiring her to do it! haha Erin Darrochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17022044977128626948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-21091932187841273582017-07-09T20:50:18.627-05:002017-07-09T20:50:18.627-05:00Oh, it's my favorite scene in that book!Oh, it's my favorite scene in that book!JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-16551148620048785902017-07-09T20:08:48.357-05:002017-07-09T20:08:48.357-05:00Yes, of course the chair! I don't even remembe...Yes, of course the chair! I don't even remember a resolution to Jaina and Leia really. Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-1041332187704593342017-07-09T17:24:02.455-05:002017-07-09T17:24:02.455-05:00Actually, I was still talking about Jaina and Leia...Actually, I was still talking about Jaina and Leia, so I meant a different scene. As for the part you're talking about, I think it was absolutely adorable and my heart melts every time just thinking about it! (The chair, right? Now we're talking about the chair?)JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-28450095597384919202017-07-09T16:52:42.242-05:002017-07-09T16:52:42.242-05:00Glad to hear you were excited, it's nice to kn...Glad to hear you were excited, it's nice to know the reviews are appreciated. These are incredibly time consuming to write, and that is with the "luxury" of being able to copy and paste the quotes rather than type them, but still, lots of time on these. Recovery I should be able to write up later this week, and then the book after should be easy, because I read it already and Han and Leia aren't even IN it. So not much quoting going on there! Then I may need a breather before taking on Star by Star. I'm sort of looking forward to reading it again, because in spite of the awful thing that happens, I do remember liking the book in general.<br /><br />Well, I think I know what you're referring to in Rebel Dream. A few books away from now, of course. I didn't totally mind that, because I think that Han is always going to be a man of actions and not words, and that particular gesture would be incredibly meaningful. I don't think much more would need to be said. But I'll refrain from judging entirely until I actually read it again!Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-71254260677253846372017-07-08T20:48:06.974-05:002017-07-08T20:48:06.974-05:00Well, I do remember a specific scene in Rebel Drea...Well, I do remember a specific scene in Rebel Dream that's supposed to be The Fix, but- you know. One conversation and that's IT. Things are magically solved with no further smoothing over. Kinda like in the case of this novel, though we do get Recovery.<br /><br />I should say, I got really excited when I got the notification for this post. So excited, I made a really awkward noise when I saw it. I can't wait to see what you have to say about Recovery!JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-51764654140829302432017-07-08T20:37:19.216-05:002017-07-08T20:37:19.216-05:00Yes, getting Recovery out of the deal was a decent...Yes, getting Recovery out of the deal was a decent fix. Still would've been nice to have a better reunion in the first place. I don't know why they would give key moments like that to an author who is open about not being interested in those characters. I don't ever remember authors saying they didn't like Luke or Mara or anything like that, and that wouldn't be right either. Also I have never understood the need to show that Luke and Mara are somehow better. This isn't a mutually exclusive thing. Luke and Mara can be totally in love and devoted to each other, and Han and Leia can too. One doesn't need to be better or worse than the other!Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-55749563416418191242017-07-08T20:29:36.841-05:002017-07-08T20:29:36.841-05:00Yep, I mean go read my review of Specter of the Pa...Yep, I mean go read my review of Specter of the Past and you'll see Leia pulling some pretty sweet Jedi moves. So, no clue where she really stood there. <br /><br />Recovery has some good stuff. It's also a little disappointing because there is a big chunk in the middle where Leia is just asleep basically, but still. Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-74646840533911084902017-07-08T20:28:08.596-05:002017-07-08T20:28:08.596-05:00I agree that just the fact that this marked the en...I agree that just the fact that this marked the end of the split up makes this book a decent one for me. As for Jaina and Leia, I think that gets more attention in further books. Although I don't remember exactly, but we'll find out soon. Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-78582010620129331062017-07-08T20:26:55.174-05:002017-07-08T20:26:55.174-05:00Thanks, I am definitely plowing through them. I...Thanks, I am definitely plowing through them. I've actually already read Recovery and the book that comes after, but still have to sit down and write the reviews before I get too far ahead! <br /><br />I don't know who that is supposed to be. Jacen maybe? <br /><br />And you're welcome. I am finding the good parts so that someday I'll be able to go back and just see the good parts without having to read them again ;)Zyrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860113813294303312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-37069391540226449052017-07-08T17:35:28.890-05:002017-07-08T17:35:28.890-05:00Zyra , you are really plowing through these books!...Zyra , you are really plowing through these books! I hadn't known that about the author. Sounds like she should have been fired.<br />I'm looking at the art work. On the previous one, I couldn't even recognize Han. And who's that person on this cover?<br />Thanks for finding the "good parts" for us.knitzkampfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07017599804057569932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-61266327128187230402017-07-08T17:21:34.826-05:002017-07-08T17:21:34.826-05:00Ohh, I've written so many missing moments for ...Ohh, I've written so many missing moments for the short time between this one and Recovery!<br /><br />I agree that the emotional side to this novel lacked but I'm always just thankful that issues were resolved and I love BP for that. Besides Han and Leia's side of things, I wish we could have gone into more depth with the issues between Jaina and Leia. In the entire EU, really, I wish their relationship could have been explored more deeply.JainaDurronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306143301521939650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-36059152574415068652017-07-08T14:43:55.933-05:002017-07-08T14:43:55.933-05:00Zyra, reading your review is way better than readi...Zyra, reading your review is way better than reading the actual book! I remember scanning this for the H+L stuff, and being confused by Leia's Force abilities (or lack-thereof) here. (Doesn't she at some point in the EU become a Jedi?) I also wanted more background re Jaina's apparent anger toward Leia. Anyway, looking forward to your review of Recovery; it's one of my favorites. (Or maybe it's just the prologue that I really like; can't remember now.) Thanks for this! JennyCBShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03646431168592570524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4591963962547240042.post-91990592337102328812017-07-07T20:25:25.401-05:002017-07-07T20:25:25.401-05:00I remember this book as kind of eh, like I was gla...I remember this book as kind of eh, like I was glad they were back together but the reunion was really not given the weight and depth it should have and then it seemed like a kick in the teeth to have Leia be brutally tortured right after they reconciled and have her hair shaved off. I remember the same thing you did that Kathy Tyers was not a fan of Han/Leia because she had been this hardcore Luke/Leia shipper back in the day and I guess was really mad at Lucas for making them siblings. They also seemed off in Truce at Bakura too. I felt like she never really "got" their relationship which is why the reconciliation came off poorly IMO. There was some interview where someone was asking her why Han didn't really seem to care about his separation from Leia and her response was "Han's Han. To some guys, their personal relationships aren't the most important thing to them." or something like that which I thought was a super off characterization of Han (but being a huge Luke fan I can see why she wouldn't think much of Han.)<br /><br />I also remember the H/L fans getting mad at her because she was a regular poster at the JC forums and she said something about how she was told to write a longer reunion but she really wanted to focus on Luke/Mara (her favourite ship) so she cut the Han/Leia scenes out of the outline Del Rey gave her, not surprisingly a lot of H/L fans were pissed with that haha. It's been a while since I read it but I remember a LOT of super lovey dovey scenes between Luke and Mara that didn't really add anything to the plot and also that weird scene of Anakin drooling over Mara and Mara in general being a Mary Sue. It does seem like for some reason a lot of Del Rey authors (like AC Crispin and Kathy Tyers) preferred to write their female Mary Sues like Mara and Bria at the expense of Leia unfortunately.<br /><br />I did like Han's interactions with his kids, Jacen's bond with Leia and Leia's characterization so those were good. But the whole separation and reconciliation was definitely sloppily handled with in the next book Han and Leia not even being in it and then in the book after its like nine months later and barely even mentioned.<br /><br />On the plus side, all the outrage over the favoritism Luke/Mara got and Han/Leia's reunion being cut short led to Recovery.Ewokkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05890491490654088747noreply@blogger.com