So, what do we know for sure? Well, not a ton. There are plenty of other sites that can fuel your rumor fire, but I'd like to continue to keep this a safe place and stick with official news that has been completely confirmed by Lucasfilm. I still go back and forth from being incredibly scared of gut wrenching disappointment, and being super excited for what we might get to see. I have now seen the trailer on the big screen three times, including today on IMAX 3D which just made it that much more amazing. I keep getting flashes to what it is going to be like in 6 months, sitting in that seat, waiting to see this movie finally, after the last one came out when I was in preschool, and I seriously get choked up just thinking about it. I think I'm kind of going to be a mess when it is finally time to see it, although it is a small comfort being pretty sure I will be far from the only one.
I'm still really concerned about the status of Han and Leia's relationship in this movie. I'm going to be devastated if they are split up. I don't know either way on this one, so this is not a spoiler, I'm just concerned about what they could do with these two. It makes me feel like we have only six months left of writing good fanfic of them being happy together before it all potentially gets shattered. So, if any of you want to go forth and write some good stuff while you can, please have at it!
How are you guys feeling six months out? I said this to someone else, but this is such a strange time right now. I mean, with the exception of the prequels, which kind of don't count because they were such a huge disappointment, and each movie made it worse so I think we were all kind of beaten down enough to not be too hopeful about subsequent movies (I don't think I even cared to see Revenge of the Sith the first possible show I could, because it didn't matter that much to me), this is the first time in a very long time, and for some of us the first time ever, we are sitting here in anticipation of seeing a new Star Wars movie, one that tells us what has been happening with Han, Luke and Leia. We don't know what is going to happen, I'm personally avoiding spoilers like my life depends on it. I want to go into it with fresh eyes and be surprised, even though part of me is scared to death that it will all be so terrible I'll have been better off having mentally prepared myself for the awfulness before actually going in. In six months we'll laugh about how excited we were for these little trailers that don't show us much of anything.
It will never be like this again. After this movie we will have a much clearer picture of where these movies will be headed, we will know if there are certain things we need to be worried about anymore, we will have a good idea of whether or not we will be disappointed like the prequels or if the situation is drastically improved. I also doubt that there will be nearly as much anticipation because so many of these questions will already be answered, even if we won't know the exact direction further movies will go. I guess in some way that will be a relief, not to have to worry about a lot of things. At this point I don't care in the slightest about Episode VIII or the new Rogue One movie, I just want to know what happens with this one. But I guess also knowing all of those things will probably take some of the magic out of it that we are experiencing now. Well, magic and gut wrenching fear, but hey, whatever.
Still withholding judgment. And as for fanfic, well, if we don't like what we see, we can continue to write what we want!
ReplyDeleteI agree in theory about the "just write what we want!" stuff. But in practice, I'm thinking the wind is going to be taken out of my sails if they come and tell us, just kidding, it didn't work out between those two!
DeleteZyra,
DeleteHonestly, I admire you for having the will not to read the rumors/spoilers. I don't. It was weird. One night I just ended up thinking about Han and Leia and Star Wars for practically no reason at all-I hadn't watched my VCR tapes in several years-and off I went on this Force Awakens kick.
I won't believe that Han and Leia are split up until I see it on screen. It just doesn't "jive" with other possible occurrences in the story. And as I wrote below, you set me straight regarding the call sheets, so now the spoiler person has to somewhat "eat his words" or just plain clarify that he might be wrong.
I think that later on in the year we'll see lots of cover stories in magazines with both the original and new Star Wars characters, and I wouldn't be surprised if Carrie and Harrison were hugging or touching each other in character on the covers. The old trilogy will definitely help majorly sell this new Star Wars films. Many, many of us original fans are still around. For the most part, I only care about the original cast. I do care if Han and Leia, and for that matter Luke, have children. I do believe that there's at least 2 of their children in the store: Kylo and Rey. I also believe Poe is a Solo kid too, but not everyone feels as strongly as I do about that. Also, I think that Domnhall Gleeson is Luke's son despite the rumor being debunked months ago. There's just too much secrecy surrounding his character.
I just can't see J.J. Abrams disappointing the original Han/Leia fans with them being apart. It would bother me much after 30 years if that was the case.
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oops I forgot... StatsGrandma...I agree with you. If they ruin them (which I highly doubt), that is my consolation - I can create my own little fanfic 'happy world' for Han and Leia ....it would be initially tough to do depending on what happens in episode seven, but you'd be surprised...I think there would be a lot of folks incredibly disappointed - if Abrams has them crash and burn - who would step up in fanfic and create some happiness for them...
DeleteSo far I also admire my not reading spoilers. The thing is, I can just tell that watching the movie is going to be so much more amazing when I don't already know absolutely everything that is going to happen. I don't want to be watching it and thinking, "Oh, this is the part where Chewie has that lightsaber fight with Yoda's ghost." Obviously that is not a real spoiler, but you get what I'm saying, right? You only get to see a movie for the first time once. After that I'll forever know everything that is going to happen, but I want to SEE it all come together for the first time on screen when I'm sitting in that theater. Honestly, I would even probably prefer it if they were done showing us trailers. When Episode I was coming out I did the same thing, I think I even averted my eyes when the trailers came on TV. That proved to be pointless, but still. I think it might be worth it in this case. I'm also that kid who even though I totally knew where my parents hid the Christmas presents, I chose to wait until the 25th to open them. Is it really that much fun opening presents and thinking, great, here's that thing I already knew I was getting! Eh, not so much.
DeleteI never really would've worried about them being together if people hadn't made me worried about it. I would've just assumed. My biggest fear is that they will erase the EU we know, keep elements of it we hated and take away the few things we really liked about it. I suppose at least one thing we know for sure that they changed for the better is that Chewie is still alive. So at least we know we have that. I wonder if Chewie no longer has a wife and kid. Did anyone ever confirm either way whether the Holiday Special was canon?!?!?
I would like to think JJ wouldn't do something like that. It just turns into Indy and Marion all over again, and we already watched Han and Leia fight and then get together on screen, it doesn't need to happen again. I'm going to be really sad though if after all these years they don't kiss in this movie. Unless said kiss is like Indy and Marion's kiss in Crystal Skull, because that was terrible.
LOL! Chewie having a light saber duel with Yoda's ghost. Oh my god….HA HA HA…..
DeleteWrite that fic, Zyra. Right that NOW. ;)
You think? It could be pretty epic....
DeleteYou should write more of your story, though! (I will never waste an opportunity to tell you that)
Ha ha, I know, I will. I promise. Personal circumstances have made writing a little difficult lately, but I'll be back at it. I really will. :)
DeleteAs long as you still promise you'll write more, I just need to keep that hope alive ;)
DeleteYeah, I promise. It hasn't been abandoned or forgotten at all. In fact, sometimes when I'm bored at work I mentally work out scenes in my head. Unfortunately, it's hardly ever one of three scenes that I NEED to be immediately working out, but what can do? My brain is very undisciplined.
DeleteThat is such a common issue with writing. You have your mind set on one chapter or moment somewhere in the future but you can't seem to GET there. I recommend to people to go ahead and write that thing that you're thinking about now, and then go back and fill in the gaps later. You can email me to harass you if that would help, too ;)
DeleteOh my god, I can't believe I wrote "Right that" when I meant "Write that" in my first post. I just noticed that.
DeleteSee? I have no business writing right now.
LOL.
Deletethey've got to be together...too soap-opera-y for them not to be...to have them estranged wouldn't jive with the idealistic tone of the OT, and Abrams says he doesn't want to disappoint the fans...it would be too huge of a risk to have them as never married/or separated/divorced...and Iluvkoalas - I agree with you! bet there will be photos of the two of them 'like in the old days'...I would totally eat those pics up btw...
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm still excited to see Episode VII, (and I'm sorry if this is too 'Debbie downer-ish)...but i'm trying to temper my expectations anyway regarding our fav couple. I truly believe they will be together, but i'm not sure how satisfying this will be anyway to us 'shippers'. I said it before, Zyra...darnit why couldn't they have done this like 10 - 15 yrs ago!! lol Its not the only reason why I love Star Wars, but I gotta say it's the biggest part ;)
As for Han and Leia….I'm really not that concerned. I think, at worst, they're might be kinda estranged. But that it will probably be mended up before film's end/Han's death (that's NOT a spoiler--I'm avoiding spoilers too. That's just my random speculation).
ReplyDeleteTruthfully, I just hope we get some good screen time with these two. I just *love* them on screen together. I could watch them paint the deck together and it would be intriguing. (Wha-? Where did that come from? I don't know…)
I could maybe tolerate "kinda estranged" but I still don't understand the point. There is SO much going on with these movies, do we really have time to give them another whole relationship arc? Can we just have them be cool with one another and not even focus on their relationship status at all, just show that they've totally been a couple this whole time and maybe kiss goodbye/hello once or twice?
DeleteI am totally prepared for Han Solo to die. Like you, I really have no idea, but I am expecting it anyway. I've said from the beginning that might not be the worst thing but I might feel different when I walk out of that theater, and it might make me less excited about going to see this movie 5 times in the theater, which I'm probably going to be doing.
I know, you think their chemistry will be just as good?
I do think that they'll have good chemistry. They don't need to be split apart. There's going to be too much drama anyway without Han and Leia drama. There really needs to be a kiss though, even if it's just a peck on the lips. That's fine.
DeleteOh, I agree. The estrangement thing would be totally unnecessary, but if it was temporary and ultimately resolved I could live with it (We all got over the NJO fiasco, didn't we?)
DeleteAnd yeah, I agree with iluvkoals. I think their chemistry will still be good. Think about it, whether those two were chummy behind-the-scenes (as they were for most of the films) or fighting (like they were for the filming of the epic carbonite scene), they always rocked it in the chemistry department. I don't think age or time will have any effect. :)
On You Tube, I was watching Carrie Fisher give a speech on a stage when Harrison was receiving a lifetime achievement award. When he was watching her, at some points you could see him kind of thinking about some type of good memory between him and Carrie. And I mean, "gooood," even though he was probably worried about something she might say. He was sitting next to his second wife, too. I totally believe that they had an affair during at least ESB. I don't think either one of them was married during ESB.
DeleteHa ha, I remember that speech! You can also see Harrison mouth the word "bitch" (affectionately, of course) which I thought was really funny, too.
DeleteI always heard the alleged affair took place during ANH…although, ESB would've made a little more sense. But still. I dunno. *shrug* I'm not good at keeping up on that stuff. :)
I have watched that speech more than once, I'm pretty sure he mouths, "Aw, come on..." I know I probably just ruined it for you, but I actually think that is a pretty cute response when it comes right after she says that he probably only hated doing love scenes with HER. She was good friends with his wife at the time too, and if you read the making of ROTJ book right before it all three of them went on vacation to Hawaii, which actually almost seems kind of weird so you can draw your own conclusions there! So if anything had happened between him and Carrie during the first one or two movies, I'm sure his wife at the time of that knew about it and could laugh about it. I've wondered too when/if the affair took place. I remember hearing that there were parts of Wishful Drinking she changed because it was too obvious that the man she had an affair with on set of ANH was, in fact, Harrison, but I don't really know if that's true. With all of the stories of them messing around on ESB set, and the jokes about how if you wanted to find one of them, you would just check the other one's dressing room, it would seem weirder to me if something DIDN'T happen. I still have hopes that Carrie might one day finally slip up and share too much ;) At the same time, given how terrible she is at keeping secrets, I also feel like if something had happened she would've slipped up by now. Or that they would've been weird together later on if something had happened and now he was remarried and they had to stop. Like, wouldn't that be awkward? But they are never awkward together. So really I still have no idea, I just enjoy speculating :)
DeleteI do absolutely love her speech in that, though, and the reaction to that line, "Whenever I start to talk, Harrison gets nervous." Oh, the stories she must have!
He was divorced when shooting ESB, hadn't met the new wife yet.
Are you sure about the "aw, come on"? Ha ha I AM a little disappointed! Because, it's funny, I don't think I noticed anything until I read a YouTube comment that said he mouthed that, and when I checked for myself it looked like "bitch" to me. I was like "Ahh! They're right!" But maybe we're not talking about the same moment? Cos I don't remember what he was responding to at the time….anyway, if he DID say it, again, it was obviously not meant maliciously. He's grinning and laughing as he said it.
DeleteBut maybe you're right….oh well.
I know they won't ever officially acknowledge it, but with all of the comments from David Prowse, the directors, etc...there was definitely something between those two from ANH through at least TESB.
DeleteI'm not familiar with any of Carrie's Wishful Drinking, but her innuendo's would be interesting to chew on...plus she also joked about playing spin the bottle with him...TESB timeline, I believe...
I'm pretty sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZEFznFE_Sk I mean he's shaking his head, it really looks like more of a reassuring, "Aw, come on.." as though the continuation might have been something like, "it wasn't so bad." It's definitely the same moment, I saw someone mad a gif of it and said that he was saying "bitch" but I don't see it that way at all. The look on his face is also kind of serious, so goes more with the reassuring rather than, "Hey, bitch don't say that!" Does he really seem like the kind of guy who would call his friends bitches?
DeleteJeanMarie, you simply must go out and buy and read Wishful Drinking. It is hilarious. It's also a really quick read. I was fortunate enough to see the show twice, but I don't think she is performing it anymore. The content of the show didn't include a ton that wasn't in the book, anyway. But HBO also had a special that showed one of her performances anyway, I bet there is some way to get a hold of that. In a way that was slightly better than the show because it included some little clips that weren't in the show. You need to find it!
I remember the mention of spin the bottle too. I'm not really buying that. What kind of grown people sit around playing spin the bottle? Like, who else was involved in that game?
I saw an interview with Carrie that mentioned her playing spin the bottle with him. Probably was just a game between them two.
DeleteOh I forgot to mention...There was a Carrie Fisher interview that I found from last year that calls Leia "Leia Solo":
ReplyDeletehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/star-wars/10848580/Carrie-Fisher-interview-The-secrecy-around-the-new-Star-Wars-film-is-like-D-Day.html
This doesn't necessarily mean anything. IMDB listed her character as Leia Solo for a while when this was all first announced, but then they removed the Solo part and just wrote Leia. Although when Carrie was defending her "spoiler" by signing stuff Leia Solo, she said she had been signing stuff that way for years, so "Is it a spoiler or ESP? You be the judge" or something like that. Well, either way, that implies that she IS very much Leia Solo. She will always be Leia Solo in my head!
DeleteThe three of them went to Hawaii together? Can you provide a link to me about this? I read a snippet online of "The Making of Return of The Jedi" book where the director said that quote about finding Harrison in Carrie's dressing room. I think that that's painfully obvious what was going on there if the director said it. There's also a You Tube interview with Carrie Fisher admitting that she went onto the Star Wars set with the intention of having an affair and that between there was no competition between Mark and Harrison as far as liking her was concerned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59SVV_oambc).
DeleteInteresting that IMDB removed "Solo" as Leia's last name. I'm speculating that that's very telling because if it wasn't true, why would anyone need to remove it?
DeleteNothing said on IMDB can be really taken as any kind of real clue. It's sort of like Wikipedia, almost anyone can write something in there. Under the trivia section for Episode 7 it says, "One of Harrison Ford's first roles after his plane crash." I guess that is sort of true but obviously he shot it way before. So, why it was removed or if there was any significance to that, we don't really know.
DeleteFor the link about the trip, I don't think I have one because I'm pretty sure it was in the Making of ROTJ book which was in print. I think it said something about them having gone there before shooting and poor Harrison's back was a mess (he had a lot of back problems in the early 80s, halted production on Temple of Doom to have surgery) and I think it said he returned in a wheelchair.
In a weird way I also almost would think it was less likely that something really did happen if all of these other people were allowed to joke about it and nobody got mad or asked them to stop mentioning it. And if I were Carrie I would absolutely not go to any trouble to deny those rumors if nothing had happened, why would I not want to continue to allow people to believe that I'd had sex with Harrison Ford in his prime? ;)
Well, yeah, of course there was no competition between Mark and Harrison. Mark was married anyway and I don't think he enjoyed the same substances off set that Carrie and Harrison did.
I thought the Hawaii trip was common knowledge. Carrie has mentioned it in a few interviews as well as the fact that they went to a Little Feat concert together cuz he was really into that band. I have an old Photoplay magazine (pack-rat) that came out between ANH and ESB. At the time, Carrie was taking classes at a college in NY and H. stopped by to visit her on his way home from shooting a movie in England. While the article speculates that something might be going on between them, it also acknowledges that she was very good friends with both him and his wife (1st wife at the time.) I also had another magazine that came out maybe around the time of H's AFI tribute (the you-tube video of Carrie's speech) where she tells a story of how they were doing press for either ESB or ROTJ and they needed a break so he took her to an amusement park. There was a picture she took of him sitting next to her in one of those flip cars with his tie flying around and she said it was one of her favorite pics of him. I know they've been very good friends, but always wondered if there was more. In any case, how awesomely surreal would it have been as a Star Wars fan, to run into the two of them at a concert, or Hawaii, or an amusement park?
DeleteInteresting stuff, Ruby Red. I actually don't think I've heard ANY of that before, which surprises me, because I thought I'd have heard everything, or at least most of it, by now. I've never even heard of the band Little Feat. Are the photos from that Photoplay magazine the ones of them in NY in the winter where his hair is kind of long and he's wearing a hat? Or are there any photos? I'd be interested to see the article and any photos if there are any. I had never heard the amusement park thing before either. Or seen that picture, is there a way you can show that to me?
DeleteI can't even imagine running into them just hanging out at an amusement park!
I have the Photoplay but I'm not sure there is a picture with it - it's a small gossip article, but I'll try to dig it out. I don't have the other mag with the story about the amusement park anymore, but I do remember the picture. They were in Seattle. It was a small magazine and I don't remember the name of it, but every month it came out and would feature a certain movie star, so of course I bought that one (this was maybe 10 or 15 years ago.) It got lost in a move (and I'm still mad!) There were lots of personal photos of him and of them both together, because the mag. would talk to the actor's co-stars and they would tell personal stories, so there were stories from Melanie Griffith and Annette Benning, and a few others too. I'll see what I can find in my little storage unit.
DeleteOh, well that is disappointing, you need to take better care of your most important things ;) Man, it really makes me sad knowing that this is a photo I've probably never seen but surely would like. Definitely let us know if you find anything good though.
DeleteWishful Drinking is a scream.
ReplyDeleteOkay, Zyra, did you wake up this morning and think, "that bitch LP hasn't been commenting on the blog AT ALL recently. What can I write that will make her squee her brains out and go on a complete fan nerd rampage?" Because if you did, well played, my lady, well played.
ReplyDeleteAhem. SO.
Basically, I've decided that Melissa Mathison, Harrison Ford's second wife and a close friend of Carrie Fisher's, was at the very least aware of Ford/Fisher's affair. In fact, it's quite easy to conclude that there may have been some threesome action going on.
Evidence/interesting facts:
** Ford and Fisher met, of course, in about '75, during casting for Star Wars.
** Ford and Mathison met on the set of Apocalypse Now, which shot between spring 1976 and spring 1977. Ford had the bit part of "colonel Lucas."
** Mathison was some sort of PA on the film, but she was also conducting a years-long affair with Francis Coppola. She'd met Coppola when she was a babysitter to his kids (including Sophia).
** My personal theory is that any alleged affair between Ford and Fisher began began either before shooting of ESB began in 1979, or very quickly after it started. The Ford divorce was apparently not official at this time, but was in the works.
** It’s not clear exactly when Ford and Mathison began to see each other, but I assume they were serious by the time Raiders shot in the summer of 1980, because she joined him during the shoot. (This is the time of the famous dysentery story, and when E.T. was first discussed between Spielberg and Mathison.)
** As the Rinzler “Making of” book mentions, directly previous to shooting of ROTJ Mathison, Ford, and Fisher were vacationing together in Hawaii.
** They seem to have remained close through the 80s and into the 90s. In the first several of her novels, Fisher names Mathison first in her acknowledgements, even after she stops mentioning Ford at all.
Given the above, and the (presumably) sexually open culture of LA/Hollywood, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to conclude that there may have been some three-way hanky panky. And THAT puts a decidedly different spin on the AFI clip, doesn’t it? :-)
I didn't write that with the intention of baiting you into commenting, but I definitely did think to myself, "I bet LadyPeter is going to have something to say about this...." and I almost requested you for backup just as far as the vacationing in Hawaii goes. Although if Harrison was suffering from such terrible back pain, I'm not sure how exciting any threesomes might've been. I think I'll leave you guys up for speculating on that. I will say I have always been confused on when he and Melissa met and when they actually started seeing each other. I know Carrie went on at least one family trip with them sometime in the 90s. Can you imagine going white water rafting and being like, ok, so you'll be sharing a boat over here with Harrison Ford, his wife, and Carrie Fisher...
DeleteThere are always options when one is under the weather...in fact LifeHacker After Dark just did an article on it!
DeleteI can imagine that, and I can imagine asking if there's room for one more, heh heh.
I wonder what broke up the friendship (if anything did), and what broke the marriage up.
Doesn't anyone else find this the least little bit interesting? Heck, I've already made prelim. notes for my novel...
I don't think their friendship really "broke up" at all, it's just like regular life. You stop being in proximity of someone all the time for months, you all move on to different things in your lives, and just gradually keep in touch less and less. It's a lot different now that we can so easily keep up with everyone all the time, emailing and texting and checking facebook keeps us constantly in contact. But back then it required effort to remain friends with someone, you had to make phone calls and arrange to get together. I know I read Carrie saying somewhere about him and their breakup that he was always very particular about how he liked things, and everyone has these fantasies about what it'd be like to be married to Harrison Ford but he probably wasn't all that easy to live with. So I have long suspected that maybe she just got kind of tired with dealing with that, maybe. I have never felt like there was any major scandal that broke up that marriage, and same with the first one. Just kind of one of those natural progressions of a relationship. And for no real reason but my own random speculation, I've always kind of felt like he probably mellowed a lot as he got older. Like his reputation for being grumpy was probably more apt when he was younger, first stemming from frustration about getting acting gigs and still working as a carpenter, then maybe from getting used to the insane level of fame he achieved in a relatively short time (I know it doesn't sound like a bad problem to have, but really, if you are a pretty private person can you imagine not being able to go anywhere, ever again, without being recognized by every single person you run into?) and then figuring out what kinds of roles he needed to go for. Let's face it, with the exception of a small handful of his films in the 90s, his more recent movies haven't exactly been all that noteworthy.
DeleteAnyway, none of my opinions here are based on much actual fact, just what I've thought of myself. Oh, and as for potential threesomes, I try not to think too much about it if only because I'm very old fashioned in my thinking on monogamy. And I know some people like to speculate on those things because it is just kind of fun for them, and I guess I don't blame anyone for that. But for myself, some of that stuff gets a little TOO wild and just makes me kind of disappointed in people, if that makes sense. I realize this makes me no fun. I can justify his potential affair with Carrie in ANH because in spite of the fact that he did not actually divorce until a few years later, I've always been under the impression that the marriage was kind of dead by that point anyway. And in ESB he was either freshly divorced or it was just waiting for it to become final, so I can be all for the two of them messing around. I guess in ROTJ he wasn't married yet, was he? But their relationship seemed to be more just friends at that point.
It sure does. ;
DeleteLP--Wow, that's a really interesting theory. As much as I try, I can't really dismiss it completely. It's entirely possible you're onto something there….
DeleteI mean, who third-wheel's it on a trip to Hawaii? That seems stranger if NOTHING was going on otherwise it's like "Hey, Carrie, bring at least bring a date or something…"
You have made my imagination go wild. I'll give you that. I may never look at Melissa Mathjison the same way again (and that's not a bad thing, just a…."Wow, girl, you just got way more interesting…;-.)
Zyra--I thought he WAS married by ROTJ. But I could be wrong about that.
Oh, wow. I didn't see this. But yeah, I agree. The Hawaii trip seems strange to me…if Carrie didn't bring someone along.
DeleteAnd NOW I replied in the wrong spot. WTF is wrong with me? It's like someone's 86-year-old grandma took over my body and is now exploring the Internet for the first time. *sigh*
DeleteThis was supposed to be in response to Iluvkoalas post below. I just suck. At everything. I better go leave the Internet now.
(I also had a couple of written replies disappear on me before posting earlier--which I just realized you all weren't privy too. But that's where the "and NOW"/general frustration stems from).
Delete*shuddupstonedrose*
Shutting up, sir.
Lol, thanks for leaving us in on your awesome replies. I hate it too when I make a silly mistake like write/right and am so embarrassed by it.
Delete*Raises hand* I've actually third wheeled a trip to Hawaii. Third wheel could be my middle name. Now, there were other people I knew there, so sometimes I also got to be fifth wheel or seventh wheel, but still. We don't actually know for sure though if Carrie did or didn't have someone with her, do we?
IMDB says he married Melissa Mathison in March of 1983, so he wouldn't have been married by the time he was shooting ROTJ but they had to have been together by then at least.
This conversation is much more fun to me than being worried about whether or not Han and Leia are together in the new movie.
Agreed about the fun conversation. My weird sense of humor is getting a much needed "kick."
DeleteActually, doesn't it get your mind off of worrying about if they're together in the movie?
DeleteI tend to agree with Zyra and would rather not give a threesome much thought. People can do what they want, but I tend to be old fashioned as well and just would be kind of a disappointment. Most of this seems like conjecture to me and I’m not terribly convinced. Just because someone is in Hollywood doesn’t mean they aren’t old fashioned too. Just my humble opinion.
DeleteI'm with you on this. Being single I've been the third wheel on numerous ocassions and have been various places with friends and their boyfriends and there's definitely been nothing like that going on. We all know Carrie hasn't had the easiest life, and if she was going through a bad phase then I don't think it would be a stretch to imagine that she might get invited for a break with a girlfriend and her husband. It doesn't have to always be about sex.
DeleteOh my god…my streak f***ing continues! I just deleted my post (my fault this time entirely). Ha ha…*sad sigh*
DeleteAnyway, yeah, you all are probably right, and things were probably a whole lot more innocent than they may have appeared. Still. It was an interesting possibility to entertain for a few hours.
To be honest, I'm still thrown the affair might've happened during ESB? Again, that would make more sense for many reasons, but why was I so convinced it was ANH? I must've heard it somewhere…it's just funny, because for years I thought "It's kinda ironic that they got it on before their characters did, and then when their characters did it was mostly over…I wonder if that made the kissing scenes more awkward…."
Or maybe nothing ever really happened it all. We'll probably never know. Which might be a good thing.
You need to start copying the text before you hit publish, I can't stand losing stuff. I've lost some emails recently and it is soul crushing, lol. Hey, by all means continue to entertain the possibility. I guess I'm not quite wild enough because I'd rather imagine only 2 people in bed at once ;)
DeleteYou have reason to believe it could've started during ANH. Apparently her potential allusions to it in Wishful Drinking indicate it during that movie, not the others. She talks about how she went on set having decided she was going to have an affair, because she'd never had one. And whoever it was with she referred to as "The Marlborough Man." Now, there is no reason to think that couldn't have been Harrison. And she has always been quite open about the fact that she was completely infatuated with him right from the beginning. I mean, who wouldn't be? So you're not imagining things, there might have been something going on at that point. But the talk of hanging out in each other's dressing rooms I think came more from ESB, and there was more talk about them hanging out in their downtime on that movie.
Speaking of the kissing scenes, I wish there was some way they would release a disc that included every take of every kiss, ever. There have to be lots of them, right? I would pay more for that than I would pay to buy the movie again.
OH. MY. GOD.
DeleteOmigod.
No, really KILL ME. I'm obviously a Darwinian mistake. I shouldn't be here.
I. Diid. It. Again. *screams into pillow*
*sigh* Okay, so like I usually DO copy my texts before posting here. Occasionally, I forget. And actually, I was attempting to do that last time (*curses a blue streak* AND this time, incidentally*), but instead of hitting "Copy" I hit "paste" instead and replaced the new post with an old one.
And I just did that again. Even as I told myself "Don't f*** this up, moron." I. Completely. Choked.
So let's just pretend it was a beautiful post, people. Eloquent, insightful. Possibly my greatest piece of writing ever. Now lost. Forever.
I basically offered up more my reasoning for debunking the "threesome" theory (and no, Zyra, ha ha, It's not my thing. I"m pretty sure I'd probably want to murder a bf for even seriously suggesting it).
I also had some comments on the whole ANH vs ESB affair thing, but why write it out again now? There's at least a 70% chance I'll f*** up this post as well.
Oh, man, here goes nothing….*crosses fingers and toes*
You are on a roll, aren't you? ;) I want you to try someday to reconstruct what you posted here, because I hate it when people say they lost a really good post or email, and then they give up on at least trying to tell us what it was supposed to say. I want that beautiful and insightful post!
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ReplyDeleteiluvkoalasJune 19, 2015 at 4:41 PM
Hello,
Thanks to everyone for the commentaries above. I still think it's weird if CF went on a Hawaii trip with just Harrison and his wife, if that was the case. Maybe someone went with her, too. I don't know. But if not, that was an indication of something going on. That's just not normal to do. But remember, Carrie was heavily into drugs, and Harrison was rumored to have done drugs as well. So, who knows? It's fascinating to me in some respect, but I don't really care either way. I love the speculation about Harrison and Carrie not ending up together, too. Possible facts in there.
On a different note, have any of you guys seen the Harrison Ford pic that was just posted online. It's from a scene in the movie.
I can post it or the link here, if need be.
ReplyDeleteNo need to post a link, it is one of the most easily searched things on the internet right now. I really hope not much more gets leaked because it is just going to get increasingly more difficult for me NOT to look at things.
DeleteI'm sorry. If you don't want me to mention anything, I won't. I just figured you might want to see Han with someone (I won't say who). Not Leia or Luke, though.
DeleteI wasn't saying don't post a link because of spoilers or whatever, just that it wasn't necessary because it'd take anyone who wants to see it about 3 seconds to find it.
DeleteIs there a newer one than what was in second trailer? Or is it same pic?
DeleteIt's a different picture.
DeleteI'm a fellow lurker, but I have to admit that I'm also a spoiler/rumor junkie. I wish there was a folder or something on this site where we could discuss, vent, dissect, etc... about the rumors. I won't be specific here, but I would love to know if that site with the call sheets is legit. The fact that it's so specific leads me to believe that many things are exaggerated or just plain made up to fit certain agendas of fans. Is there a H/L email list or other board where people can freely discuss these rumors with other H/L fans? I respect that some fans don't want to know, but I also believe there's many like me that want to read the rumors and debate if they could be true or not. One last thing on this topic, I find it hard to believe that the writers would keep H/L apart for a large percentage of the movie. Why not capitalize on their banter and chemistry knowing how successful it was for the trilogy.
ReplyDeleteOff topic, but does anyone have "A Marriage of Convenience" by Cindy Olsen, or have the link? I heard that fanfic was awesome, but can't seem to find it.
Thank you!
Hello, lurker! Sorry to be a buzzkill about spoilers, but I know I just personally don't want to know too much. It'd be like opening all of your presents on Christmas morning but already knowing everything you were going to get, anyway. Sure, now you finally have the presents, but was opening them up really all that fun? Not really. Plus I do admit that initially I was reading some spoilers but I found myself getting worked up over things, which was kind of silly because we didn't even know if they were true or not. So personally I just don't want to spend all this time worrying about things that may not be true anyway.
DeleteRegardless of their relationship status, I can actually easily see them keeping them apart for a large portion of the movie. I will say that from what I understand, Han has a MAJOR role in this movie, moreso than Luke or Leia. Part of this is probably because he is arguably the most beloved movie character of all time (seriously, how can anyone not love him?) and also because Harrison Ford himself just happens to still be in a position to have major screen presence and bring a lot to the character and the movie in general. As much as I love Carrie, I'm not sure how well she would do with a whole lot of screen time and a ton of things to do. It's not to say I don't WANT to see that, but I just don't know if she can really pull it off at this point. I would love to be proven wrong on that. Also, as sad as it is to admit this also, I just don't know if it would even be a good thing for the movie to spend a whole bunch of time watching them banter and stuff, no matter how much fun it is. First and foremost, it's a story that is being told, and I don't think that spending a bunch of time watching them banter would help that, even though of course I would LOVE it. Lots of people don't want this to just become all nods back to the OT, but a whole new story. Admittedly I probably am more of a sucker for fan service than most, but I can at least momentarily separate the silly fangirl in me from the logical person who knows what is or isn't really good for a movie.
That's not to say I don't think there will be at least a little bit of banter, or a nice moment or two (three or four would also be acceptable) between them, I just don't at all expect to see much of that kind of thing, regardless of how much screen time they share in this movie.
Ok, so for spoilers, go to theforce.net and the Jedi Council forums have a board there that allows all the spoiler talk you can handle and from what I understand it is VERY active. It is not Han and Leia centric by any means, but like any decent Star Wars fan they are still discussed, I'm sure. And I'm sure people would be willing to engage in discussion about it if you bring up some specific points.
I've long believed this call sheet stuff is making a LOT of assumptions. But then it's much more fun to "report" all of these specific details even though they really have no idea. I also wonder if they weren't using code words or names or whatever. I think it would be epic if everyone has had the wool pulled over their eyes and in the end, when we finally see the movie, a lot of people are going to find out they were fooled into thinking something totally different.
My only link to the Corellian Embassy on the wayback machine sadly does not include that story. At some point it was "updated" so that the story links were pdf files, and none of those pdf files seem to work :( I'd be interested as well if someone can find that story.
Oh of course, the call sheets are there to "stir the pot." And who knows if they're current ones or ones that were corrected?
DeleteI think that there will be banter between Han and Leia. And I think that there'll be a romantic moment or two. Sure, the movie is mostly about the new cast, but it's also about resolving the original trilogy's storyline, since they took the time to recruit the original actors for this movie. With many, many original trilogy fans still around, it's impossible for me that they won't give us some "satisfaction." Mr. Abrams knows that there's a lot of Han and Leia fans out there.
Right now, I'm kind of picturing the first scene (not a rumor...from my own head) their first meeting as them arguing. Maybe Leia doesn't even say, "Hi Han." She just goes into a topic and is possibly upset with something that Han did. Then Han says something back and then goes over to give her a peck on the lips. Who knows?
I've written on other boards that if they don't respect the original trilogy fans' wishes, I probably won't see the 2nd and 3rd movies. If it wasn't for us, there wouldn't be this next movie coming out.
Regardless of anything else, the status of their relationship, married, not married, never married, whatever, there is actually no doubt in my mind they won't at least have ONE good moment in there somewhere. I'll just be much sadder if it is seriously only one moment, and we are given reason to believe that it has been like, 20 years since they spoke or kissed or anything.
DeleteBUT, something else I've said before, if they are redoing the entire EU and giving us all kinds of new books, does it make any sense to have everyone separated for that entire 30 years or a good portion of it? Like, doesn't that seriously complicate writing stories trying to fill those gaps? I'm not sure that makes any sense, either.
I like your scene in your head. And for a while now I've thought that if I were writing it, my most ideal scenario (aside from catching them in bed - yes, even elderly, I don't care, it's still Han and Leia - but that absolutely can't happen because this is a family friendly movie) would be if he walks in and they share some brief exchange that makes us think she is really pissed at him and he's irritated with her, and then he just walks up and they kiss and the whole thing was just playful banter and everyone is happy. THAT would my ideal scenario to reintroduce these characters.
I do agree on the 2nd and 3rd movies. Although wouldn't it be kind of a relief if we were finally given a reason to stop caring so much? So much avoided anxiety. I was just thinking today when I went to see Jurassic World and saw the trailer again in 3D IMAX, I don't know that I can NOT go to the midnight show of this movie. I've never been to a midnight show, I am more of a morning person than a night person, but I don't think I'm going to be able to sleep anyway if I know other people are seeing that movie and I'm not. I think it will be worth the missed night of sleep.
It wouldn't make any sense for them to have been separated for a long time. I could see a brief separation and a getting back together, but certainly, not a long one. It just would make no sense to me. Of course, if you read other fans' post, as I shouldn't do, they say it make complete sense within the possible plotlines of the movie. The movie doesn't need any more soap opera with a possible love story between any of the new characters.
DeleteAbout your scene, I like it. It's very close to mine, except that they were playing. You never know, maybe they'll have that. It would be nice to show that after all these years they could joke like that and still love each other.
About the "relief," part...Yeah, you're right. That's happened to me before when the writers/producers spoiled other couples for me. Then I just disengaged myself from the couples/story/show and left immediately without looking back. I hope I don't have to do that.
Oh my god, you got to see the trailer not he big screen AGAIN?! They never show it before movies where I am! (And I'm right above NYC, it's not like I'm out in bumble-f*** USA.) Argh! I haven't seen "Jurassic World" yet, but my roommate did, and she said there was no SW trailer. *sigh*
DeleteAnyway, I'm definitely going to the midnight showing of this. It's , like, not even an option. (But I *am* a night person, so truthfully I'm up that late all the time anyway). I could be wrong, but I don't think I've done the midnight show thing since Indy 4, but for some movies it's just necessary.
I've managed to catch a chunk of sleep last night, so let's see if my mind is now clear enough to post correctly….
I did see it again. Man, I think that's... 4 times now on the big screen? Maybe 5, I can't remember if it was before Spy or not. I've seen a lot of movies lately. It was before Avengers, Tomorrowland, and two viewings of Jurassic World. JW I saw on IMAX so maybe it wouldn't have been before the regular version of it. It was the only preview before that movie.
DeleteYeah, the more time that passes the more I'm like... I don't think I can not see it as soon as humanly possible. Is it released world wide on the same day? Maybe I need to travel to Australia for a midnight show to see it even sooner. I fear waking up and looking on the internet and seeing something I don't want to see before I see it for myself. I usually go to bed by like 9:30 but I can nap.
I also don't know if I want to shoot for IMAX right away or wait and see it normal first. The IMAX trailer was pretty cool, especially that opening shot with the crashed Star Destroyer. I didn't even notice the downed X-wing as well in the foreground, but the 3D made it totally obvious. I will see it in IMAX either way, even if it is not the first thing I do, I just don't know if I want to do that first.
Congratulations on getting your post right on the first try :)
I can't believe you got to see it on big screen! I just got back from seeing JW in IMAX 3D and no SW preview, darn it! But there was a poster for it outside the theater. That was awesome.
DeleteBtw, JW was very cool for those that haven't seen it. Not a great story, but lot of fun and a lot of dinosaurs. And the IMAX 3D was pretty cool. I totally want to see SW in IMAX 3D. Chris Pratt is pretty hot but he's no Han. ;)
Huh, I had no idea I was especially lucky in seeing it before Jurassic World and that apparently it is not something everyone gets!
DeleteI did very much enjoy Jurassic World as well. Probably more than I even expected to, and I figured I'd like it anyway. And yeah, I can enjoy watching Chris Pratt but I still don't want him (or anyone else) to be Indiana Jones!
Whoa, what did I miss? Have they been considering Pratt to play Indy? Geez, I must live under a rock...
DeleteMy son is going around playing Jurassic World now. :) It's a hoot. He's got all his little army men out battling a dinosaur. Ah, boys.
Yes, Chris Pratt is apparently Disney's fav to take over the Indy role. I like Chris but I'm still not sure. I mean, who could possibly take over from Harrison?
DeleteHuh. That's interesting. Thanks, Claire! I would agree who could possibly take over for Harrison? Chris is certainly some nice eye candy, but not sure if he's much more beyond a one note kind of guy. I didn't really see much from him other than action hero in JW.
DeleteChris IS hot though, right? But he's just not Harrison hot, you know? I'm not sure anyone could play Indy but Harrison. Or Han for that matter.
DeleteChris is pretty smoking and kind of funny, at least in the movie. He can pull off the bad boy pretty well. But he's no Harrison.
DeleteThere have been rumors about him as Indy for a while, and more recently they have sparked up again. Although so far there has been no real indication that the rumors are based on any truth. We DO know that there WILL be more Indy movies, we just don't know if they are starting with someone new or we'll get more Harrison. Of all of the names that have been tossed around to take over that role, Chris Pratt is the one that makes me least angry, but I still don't think they should do it. Harrison IS Indiana Jones. End of story. Do you ever watch those movies and see Harrison acting like Indy or do you just see Indy there? I think anyone, including Chris Pratt, would just come off like they were trying to imitate him. Why can't they just have new movies and new roles and let these actors shine in their own ways? Chris Pratt already has Starlord. That character is HIS. We're not watching him try to mimic someone who came before him, he just gets to embody that character, and that's great. I also wonder if between that and more Jurassic sequels (which he is, in fact, signed on for) he would even have time in his schedule to be Indy even if he wanted to. But I don't know. I've just always hated the idea of casting someone else to play Indy and I don't understand why they can't just make new movies and new characters that are maybe Indy-esque without actually trying to replace Harrison.
DeleteChris Pratt actually does have a decent amount of range. In fact, I'm so used to him as Andy on Parks and Rec that at first it was tough to not see him as the doofy fat dude, but clearly he has shaken that image, hasn't he? And he's been in a ton of movies you probably wouldn't even remember he's been in, playing a lot of different roles. Anyway, all that said, I'd much prefer to see him go out and continue to be his own, new characters than try and take over for Harrison. And I'd much, much rather see Indy retired than recast. I just don't think they can recreate the magic of the old Indy movies.
Oh, and one last thing I've been thinking about with all this talk between Chris and Harrison. I think one of the things about Harrison that has always helped him is that his career developed relatively late, so we all came to know him as a MAN. He wasn't playing high school kids or goofy parts, really. He may have had a few minor ones like that, but nothing anyone would've remembered. So he never had to break out of old molds that he had been cast in. Chris Pratt is a little different, at least for some of us who knew him from elsewhere. Like, I wouldn't buy him as Jack Ryan, being this fully competent CIA analyst married to a doctor and eventually going to become president, you know what I mean? I don't know if that makes sense. And maybe it's not entirely true anyway, my mom saw Jurassic World too and she was like, "Who was that guy?" so she had never heard of him before.
That is probably enough rambling. Mostly it boils down to me wishing that somewhere along the line someone had thought to clone Harrison so that we would have an endless supply of movies with him.
Mmm, clones of Harrison? Sounds good to me. Then we can ALL have one ;)
DeleteThat's a good point about Harrison-that we, as viewers, didn't see him in younger roles so that we could accept him in "older roles," as opposed to "boy roles."
DeleteAnyone wanting to discuss Episode 7 spoilers check out The Force Awakens spoiler board at the Jedi Council Forums. There are a few Han and Leia fans over there including a couple from this blog.
ReplyDeleteWhoever has the handle "Leia's Left Bun" on Jedi Council Forums is awesome! I love her posts (assuming she frequents this board). That is all I'll say... :-)
ReplyDeleteHello.
DeleteShe does. I love her posts, too.
Oh my god, YES. She's great!
DeleteI do come here sometimes, as this is a great site and a great group of H/L fans. And thank you!
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Hey, there. I've seen a few of your comments but sadly have to stay away from spoilers, but nice to see you over here :)
DeleteSure, Zyra. I respect your desire to remain unspoiled. Though I do wonder, if we got confirmation of something incontrovertibly GOOD, like H/L being married and not separated, or Daisy playing their daughter -- would you want to hear that?
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Hey, LLB. You know, it's funny you ask that. I actually asked one of the posters on here, who does read the rumors, to sort of screen the rumors for me and have given her permission to confirm basically only those two things: the status of Han and Leia's relationship, and whether or not Daisy Ridley is a Solo. That said, while I personally would not mind those things being "spoiled" (I'd be relieved and a lot less stressed waiting for this movie knowing just that one simple fact that Han and Leia have been mostly happily married for 30 years) I won't speak for everyone on that. So, for the rest of you, please speak up and let us know if those are things you would be ok with hearing or if you want to leave this completely spoiler free.
ReplyDeleteIt has also occurred to me that when the movie comes out we are going to have to decide when it is ok to come here and talk about it. If anyone reading this board takes more than 24 hours to see the movie though, I think you deserve to get spoiled ;) That said, my European friends, please don't say anything after your midnight shows before I get to see it!
I'm trying to stay spoiler free, so would prefer not read about status of their relationship. But that's just me.
DeleteWell, unfortunately, I might not be able to see it straight off. It's a bummer, but might be a few days after. Unless I can score some late night tickets or something.
I can respect that, if anyone doesn't want to be spoiled like that. You can email ME if you want though, lol :)
DeleteAmara, you are brilliant for still remaining spoiler free! Your will power is amazing :)
DeleteZyra,
ReplyDeleteThere's no confirmation about whether they're together or not. But, if it was confirmed that they were together down the line, would you want to be spoiled about that?
I'm not even sure I understand the question. Maybe I should just leave my plan as it is, with my spoiler-screener who knows the things I want to know and will tell me only those things when they are confirmed :)
DeleteIf they were still happily married or romantically involved, would you want that confirmation spoiled to you before the movie came out? Would you read a magazine article confirming this?
DeleteYes. Personally I want that spoiled. I don't think their relationship status will be a major factor in the overall story arc. And really it shouldn't, with so much else going on we don't need to see the same couple have a similar love story all over again. It is just something I want to know. If I find out that they are happily together and have been for 30 years, my level of anxiety over this movie will drop dramatically. I barely even care what they do beyond that. I'd be disappointed though if they did not have kids. But I would worry far less about what we might see in December if I was told for sure they at least were all good.
DeleteYes, and we could all relax and just wait patiently for the movie to come out since we would know that everything's alright in one sense.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone going to Comic Con? Apparently there will be a "special look" at Episode 7. Could be interesting, although I suppose also potentially could be nothing. It's funny to me that I feel like already it is "too soon" to see another new trailer, and yet by then it will have been 3 months since the last one. And does anyone know if they are live streaming the panel? I'm mad though because I have to go to a wedding the night the panel will be shown, so I almost hope it isn't being live streamed so I'm not missing anything, but you all need to tell me immediately if anything cool happens.
ReplyDeleteI saw the trailer AGAIN on the big screen this weekend, too. I know you're all getting sick of me saying that. That is 5 times now.
Zyra,
ReplyDeleteI was reading some of your fanfiction on fanfiction.net. Excellent. Culmination is a highlight.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. You should try leaving an actual review over there, because reviews are awesome ;)
DeleteZyra,
ReplyDeleteI don't have much time for reviews, but I will tell you that I've read a lot of them so far. The funniest one is where Han holds out on Leia. He was in the shower that long a time? I bet I know what he was doing. It wasn't spelled out, but if you're an adult, you know what he was doing since he wasn't going to get it on with Leia.
Just a question though, when Leia begged him to get it on at the end of the story, was that meant to be a ploy to "trick" Han?
Overall, what's really nice about your stories is that they're written very adult, yet they're approachable. I think that you have the characters' voices perfect.
Glad you liked that one. I wrote that one quite a while ago and at this point I kind of wish I'd dragged it out longer, could've made it more fun, but I'm too lazy to go back to it.
DeleteTo answer your question, no, it wasn't intended as a "trick." It was just Leia finally being like, this is stupid, I don't even really remember what we were fighting about, so let's just go to bed ;)