(I'm pretty sure I stole this gif thing or whatever it's called from Elivagar's tumblr. I don't think she'll mind and try to stop watching it for a second to read the post below...you can come back when you're done, it'll still be here. I promise.)
(Warning: Adult Themes Below)
It Feels Like the First Time…Again (and again, and again)
Okay, so we all like sexy time right? Well, I was engaged in writing a little bit of sexy time just recently and I sat back and wondered just how I might be able to describe this same act, yet again for this same couple. It didn't help that it was Han and Leia's first time (again). Something that I don't care to admit how many times I've both read and written (and thought about). How can I possibly come up with new ways for them to experience this same thing?
The question can be expanded, as most can. How many different ways can I describe a kiss? He pressed his lips to hers. She drew his mouth to meet her lips. He kissed her soundly, deeply, tenderly, passionately. Their mouths crashed together. Their lips touched. Feather kisses. Crushing kisses. Tongues and no tongues and what are the hands doing during all of this? GAH!
And then of course all that kissing leads us right back to the sex. We all like to read about it. I think we all have some trepidation in writing about it. What about after writing about it seventeen thousand times? (Maybe not that many, but possibly.) I first, try not to make it some worn out recipe, right? They kiss, they fall down on the bed, Han goes south, Leia goes limp, Han inserts here and BLAM they're both done. The End. Finito. Send it to print.
And just how many ways can this act be done? I was actually discussing the other day (I won't name with who) how...adventurous the run-of-the-mill Han and Leia shipper might be. It seemed to me that we all probably see this couple as fairly conservative and then wish to read them written that way. I mean we barely read about Leia going south and if Han tried to go through the backdoor, I'm pretty sure that would be OOC for most. (Oh my, did I just write that?) I think Zyra may want to approve my posts from now on after that.
But seriously. What's some different ways you've seen this same old thing expressed? Have you ever struggled with writing the 'deed' and trying to find a new way to describe it? Or a new way to describe anything. A hug. A kiss. A look. Etc., etc., etc. Have you ever read anything and felt like (1) Ho hum, I've read this before, or (2) Yowza, it feels like their first time (again)! What works, what doesn't? What's acceptable to you? What's pushing your limits and what's "No way, no how, Leia/Han would just never do that...ever. Um...never..."?
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I consider this a most worthy challenge :)
ReplyDeleteJust so you all know, the "unnamed person" was NOT me. Anyway...
ReplyDeleteYeah, honestly at this point I've taken to simply not writing these scenes at all. I mean, I'll totally allude to the fact that sex might be happening, but I won't write the details. And I've written precisely ONE "first time" story and not sure I could deal with writing any others, so I don't know how Push does it except that I think she just happens to write stories where it inevitably will happen and just kind of gets stuck and HAS to do it. Or make them do it, as the case may be.
I haven't run out of words for it yet, I just stay away from writing it. I do get sort of tired of trying to come up with good ways to mention kissing, though.
As for "adventurous" I will agree that there seems to be a standard formula that is rarely deviated from. For me personally, it's not really that I don't think they'd try other positions or that Leia would... pay special attention to his blaster, it's just that for some reason I feel like way more of a perv to sort of deviate from the standard stuff. Why? I don't know. Which again is why I solve the problem by just not writing it at all anymore :)
I think it's a worthy challenge for all of the reasons you've indicated. Insert tab A into slot B can be fun, but what really does it for me in Amara's stories is that she describes the setting so well. She makes me feel as if it's early in the morning, late at night, sunset, whenever. Time and place, I think, are really important variables. Are they on their honeymoon, did Leia just finish killing Jabba, are they living it up on Endor? Do they have kids yet and how old are the kids? This is what makes it work for me; how does their life as it is at that moment impacting their behavior?
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty conservative sexually, in terms of behaviors. I still think the brain is the greatest erogenous zone. It's hard to get anything but plain vanilla out of me, but I think the circumstances are what make it refreshing.
Of course, at the moment, I'm thinking pre ANH, Han and Lando met some lovely ladies who turned out to be anything but. This may be the result of a) trying to finish the semester or b) listening to too much Aerosmith while trying to stay awake.
She had the body of a Venus,
DeleteLord, imagine my SURPRIIIISE!!
I'll read this any day, Stats. Any day.
Thanks, statsgrandma. That's a really great complement.
DeleteI switched over to Van Halen. 'Hot for Teacher.' Hmm...
DeleteOh, well, that will just put all sorts of ideas in your head. :) Leia as a dominatrix teacher?
DeleteWarning: I am going to discuss various sexual positions and non-procreative sex acts in this comment. I won't be purposefully lewd, but I'm gonna name names.
ReplyDeleteLet me begin with this: among the small crew of "12 and 13 year girls" at my all-female prep school, I am known as the one who came into school one morning in first or second grade and told the whole class about how babies get made. In detail. With relish.
So _of course_ it was I who was complaining to Push about the Princess Leia/Boba Fett anal sex scene in "Meeting Like This" being too vague. Oh wait: should I put a warning at the top of this comment? Better go do that ...
Now. It's not like I want Leia to become a dominatrix and start whipping Han for being a "bad little boy." That would surely be OOC (although then again…).But there is room for so much more in this universe and even in this One True Pairing!
For instance:
* Leia is always written whispering unnamed dirty phrases during sex. How come we can't hear what she says, huh? Are people too shy to write it, or do they think people don't want to read it?
* And positions! Every once in a while Han will take Leia from behind, but come on, can't we even have them do reverse cowgirl once in a while?
* Then there are the orgasms. First of all, I don't know how Han can be such a scoundrel in the rest of his life, but such a gentleman in the bedroom. Who ever taught him that "ladies come first?" Bria? :) And I know that this is completely possible, but it is the lucky woman who can have an orgasm just from missionary position intercourse, OK? I know this is supposed to be a fantasy, but...
* And why is Leia almost always so passive in bed? She’s a strong lady, and I’d love to see her get as bossy in bed as she can be in the rest of her life once in a while.
* Finally: oral sex. I know this is not everyone’s favorite thing to perform, so I can see why, as primarily women writers, we don’t have Leia doing it much (while she seems to be a very frequent recipient!). But I think that performing oral sex can be a very powerful act, and I can imagine some ways of portraying it that would be IC and also erotic.
All this is not to say that there are no fics that go beyond these bounds I've been describing. In fact, I happen to have a little collection of them in my ff.net favorites folder. And in my next ridiculously long comment, I'll share some of 'em.
And of course, I do have a piece or two in the works that might also seek to fill some of these perceived holes in the genre ☺
LMAO. This gets my vote for one of the best comments on this blog...ever. :-)
DeleteOh, that was great. Take a look at my comment below. I mention Leia as a dominatrix as well. :) I actually think she could be awesome.
DeleteAlthough now I'm oddly curious about this story of Leia and Fett. It definitely sounds different.
I'm following that same story (which is what led to my and Lady Peter's conversation) and I really like it. I'm more open to other pairings, not that Han/Leia aren't my OTP, but if it's written well I can enjoy other stories and I have a soft spot for old Boba. It's on ff.net and it's written by FettsOnTop. You should check it out. ;-)
DeleteI took a quick peak at it. It does some interesting and possibly worth a read. Agree on Han and Leia, but I'll read a good story if I find one. "The Shadows Suit Me" was messed up in terms of story but really good. Not big on Leia being humilated at Jabba's, but hopefully it's written well and not too bad. I do have a hard time watching poor Leia suffer.
DeleteI had no idea I'd find "Meeting Like This" so believable. I resisted reading it for a while, just convinced I'd hate it, but lo and behold, it has become a favorite.
DeleteLol, Push. I can't believe you wrote that. Zyra may need to approve the posts after all. ;)
ReplyDeleteOh, but you bring up a really good point. How do you find new and exciting ways to describe it? That is tough. And I'm sure they've easily hit the 17,000 mark. :) I've certainly read a range of stuff from the graphic to the flowery to the down right dreadful. I think as long as it is kept within character and they make it believable, then I'm ok with it. What can throw me off though is off putting words or descriptions or things that just don't quite flow or fit. If I get thrown out of the moment, I am not as likely to like it.
Maybe we're not into reading or writing the spicier parts of sex because we're mostly women in the group? I don't mind a more graphic story. Look at The Princess and the Pirate. It's one long story and a lot of hotness in there. And it is a bit graphic. Didn't bug me. But would I go searching out stories like you mentioned? Probably not. Just not as interesting to me. I would certainly draw the line at something that was disrespectful or abusive. Those would be a no go for me. Although I bet Leia would make a heck of a dominatrix. :)
I've only written the one sexy time bit. So I have not had to find new ways to describe things yet. Statsgrandma does bring up a good point that setting may more important than anything. I thought it was funny when I asked hubby how many times could I really write about their first time. He just gave me the look. :) So I'm sure I'll be writing sexy time again.
But if someone could explain how to describe small reactions besides eyebrows lifting, shrugs, or looks, I'd appreciate it. How many times can you write that type of stuff? :)
Long time no see AmaraZ! Glad to see you back. Leia could def be more...assertive in the bedroom than we allow her (myself included). I'm gonna have to work on that...
DeleteOther ways to describe reactions? Tough. Body Language is it. I try to think of tightening of a jaw muscle or balling up of fists or other ways you can read people. But it's not easy.
I wrote two selections for 'actions speak louder than words,' and I found that it was really fun to play out the subtle behaviors that show caring and concern without going all slobbery and disgusting. What I learned was this: you can climb into the heads of the characters that way. I'd like to try writing sex from Leia's point of view in first person, and then Han's as well. I think it might be a way to see the act of love and the small details from how they view it, not so much how I view it.
DeleteI know this may weird some people out, but I'm 57 years old and you don't make love the same way you do when you're 27. It'd be impossible. So the ages of Han and Leia would play a part in how they do it as well. There's the locking the bedroom door with young kids in the house versus lovemaking with kids all grown up. There's doing it when you're young and childless in a cleaning closet at an official function versus renting a luxury hotel room when you're older and escaping yet another boring function.
Oh, and Lady Peter? I swear I'm going to write that story. My only question is, would Han ever reveal it to Leia and would she find it funny? I think she would.
Oh, no, I have been gone that long? Sorry! I've been swamped lately, with good stuff, and know I have some posts to read.
DeleteThanks for the tip on body language. That's exactly it. I might have to keep an eye out for other ways to describe it and vary it.
Ok, I think I missed something. Tell Leia what?
DeleteAnd, Han will get a BJ from Leia. And, I think she's a swallower versus a spitter :)
ReplyDeleteOMG in heaven, what have i done? I'm seriously gonna have to delete all of this before Zyra wakes up... ;-)
DeleteOmg, you guys...!
ReplyDeleteAll great points though, Lady Peter. Many things that have crossed my mind as a reader. Especially that I swear that I've maybe only read Leia performing oral sex on Han twice (that I can recall anyway, but they left impression on me), yet the reverse is quite common. Though, I can understand why that is.
Ok, so in which stories does Leia give Han a BJ? Forty Days to Bespin, pretty sure Seven Times by Rileypotter, possibly Princess and the Pirate, but not 100% on that one. Can anyone think of anymore?
DeleteSo now you're going to make me recite these? Jeez...
DeleteThe ones you mentioned, obviously. Push had one where it is their wedding night (presumably because that's the last time you have to do that, right???... kidding) there were a couple on NHP. One was a missing moment from Tatooine Ghost when Han was all dehydrated. There was another one where Leia tied Han up (no, really!) and did that. There was one that was I think Dant Solo's that took place basically right after COPL. Because Leia basically owed Han about a million BJs after what she put him through there. There's another wedding night fic on ff.net where she does it. Oh, and she does it (and there is ART to go with it) in this round robin "story" on NHP where they were trying to write the worst erotic fic they could but really it seemed to just turn into getting more and more explicit.
There, you happy now? I swear this has more to do with the fact that I have a really good memory than anything else.
And PS: In all of these stories, IF he, uh, finishes, Leia has always been a swallower.
DeleteYou people are corrupting me.
Thanks Zyra! I think you deserve a gold star for your excellent memory. I do know some of the stories you mentioned there, but clearly forgot some of the filthy details, lol.
DeleteOkay, so this really happened last night. ;-)
DeleteI had totally forgotten that I wrote that! Is it terrible that Zyra remembers my stories better than I do? It's Chapter 7 of the The Path Forward, for anyone that wants to know (I had to look it up). I had them talking alot in bed, too which I don't find that I do anymore (but not talking like THAT). I wonder why they got all silent? I'll have to work on that!
Yeesh, now I'm going to be looking all these up. :)
DeleteGlad to help, Zyra. ;) But wouldn't the other option just be gross? Seriously. And wow, I really need to stop myself now.
Okay, okay, I exaggerated! And I might have a terrible memory too...but still. ;D
DeleteNo-lifer here at 4 am again...
DeleteWhat's NHP? New Hope something? :'D
Would you please post on this blog some link list for certain stories? ;) Like a BJ list, their first time list... etc? Backdoor list? :D The last wouldn't be a list at all??? Because does it ever happen in any fic? Except the Lady Peter's one here but it is not published anywhere else? I don't necessarily think that would be number one in Leia's check list but it sure would be fun to read! :'D
I think we have "forced" Leia to swallow anyway because it would be more gross to describe and read her getting rid of it! :D
Oh and I was talking about Han entering her backdoor... I haven't read the story with Boba Fett. And now I remember there really is two anal sex stories between Han and Leia that I have read.
DeleteOne isn't realistic at all in my taste; beginning with Leia's C-cups and after anal sex Han finishing her vagina?!? Must be some guy's writing. ;) https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12419564/1/Sex-Wars
In the other story it had already happened and also containing brief mention Luke/Han being gay etc. I don't have anything against gays, but it just turns me off and that's not what I'm after when I'm reading M-rated Han and Leia stories. ;)
》...Just last month, she had asked Han for anal sex; it was something she'd done with a dildo, but never with a man. She had been terribly horny and terribly in love and it was a way to show him how much she trusted him.
He validated her trust, coaching her through all the phases: the foreplay, the relaxation, receiving his phallus, the pain, the acceptance and finally the opening and stimulation. She had orgasmed after what seemed like hours of enduring him in her back passage, when he massaged her clitoris as he held still inside her. To her surprise, she found herself moving back and forth along his length as she tumbled toward orgasm.》
http://www.wookieehut.com/fanfic/ishecorellian.html
Well ladies, it was certainly a surprise to wake up to this this morning! Lol. And yes Push, I think you've created a monster here! ;)
ReplyDeleteI haven't yet taken the plunge and written any sexy time although I have given it some thought, and just feel incredibly daunted by the whole thing. I feel that above all else we tend to nit pick these scenes more than others, and so you have to make sure all the movements actually make sense and you don't repeat words and that kind of thing. I'd love to give it a go, but I just feel like it's going to drive me crazy writing it.
LadyPeter, your post was awesome by the way. And I agree that we mostly tend to think of them as pretty conservative in the bedroom, and "oh no, they would never try that". But I'm sure we all love those fics that push the boundaries with them sometimes.
And it's absolutely true, Leia is a fiery passionate woman, so why do we all see her as a wallflower in bed? Wouldn't that passion be even more evident during sex? Of course it would. Granted she isn't as experienced as Han, but once they have been "practicing" a while I can see Leia turning into a total red hot little minx when they make love, and I'm sure Han absolutely loves it.
Loving this thread!
Ok, so now I'm never going to be able to go to sleep again and leave you hooligans to your own devices ;)
ReplyDeleteAll right, let's just assume that every time in any scene I've done where it fades to black they did it in at least 5 different positions and there was a lot of noise and talk and Leia pleasuring Han. I thought we could just assume that on the one where his birthday happened ;)
As for the "dirty phrases" thing, have you read a story that actually has her saying stuff? I have. They are not the kinds of stories you find on ff.net. I think the reason we never actually spell out what she (or he) might be saying is because it "sounds".... ridiculous. And over-the-top and very porn-ish. I mean, maybe I'm wrong here, and as I continually like to point out, I am certainly NOT the authority on all things Han and Leia and what is officially right or wrong to write with them, so please, argue with me. But, I mean, let's just compare it to real life. There are certain things said in the context of certain... other things that you would NEVER say outside of those specific contexts. Or maybe YOU would. And maybe I'M wrong about that. But even with Han and Leia I can see Leia saying something quite dirty one night and maybe the next day Han whispers in her ear how much he loved it when she said... whatever, and I can just see her blushing (because she always blushes) but certainly not repeating said phrase outside the bedroom. That's my theory on that one, anyway.
As for positions and such, maybe part of it is just that the moments we choose to describe tend to be more... meaningful? Not to say you can't have meaningful reverse cowgirl sex ;) But in these moments, it's not so much the act that is important as the emotions involved and I think it's just easier to convey that when they're, you know, FACING each other! I think it's tough to believably write Leia thinking of her love for her husband if her face is buried in the mattress!
Do you have any idea how distracting this is to write with pigtail Carrie staring me in the face right now?!??!
Anyway... Yes, there DOES appear to be a standard formula for their encounters and yes it would be nice to see something different. But if you have come across some of the more... less than savory stories about them, or them with other people, on the internet, and you can see the difference in how they are written that makes them more outright porn than anything else, I guess you just want to make sure that yours doesn't come off the same way.
And come on, there are more than 2 stories where Leia goes down on Han. I bet you didn't even remember that Push has it in at least one of hers. I can think of at least 3 others.
Ok, that's enough for now. This is an interesting topic for sure!
And as far as your challenge - “I think it's tough to believably write Leia thinking of her love for her husband if her face is buried in the mattress!” - goes. How about this--
DeleteLeia was still groaning, her body twitching as she felt Han stop his thrusts and his body start to shift. He lifted her easily, her body so tiny under his, rolling her to her stomach. He pulled her roughly to her knees forcing her head towards the mattress, but she couldn’t say she could complain. Not when his fingers dug into her hips and he drove into her, filling her completely. She grabbed a nearby pillow, buried her face in it, biting the material lest she cry out too loud, all the while thinking “Oh, Gods, I love that I married myself a Corellian.”
OMG, I'll buy that!
DeleteNice one, Amara. :)
Bravo, Amara! (And Zyra's right, this all seems a little strange with Carrie and her school girl braids looking at me)
DeleteHee hee. Thanks, ladies. I am to please. :)
DeleteI'm still catching up on all these replies, but Zyra, I had to stop and tell you how much you just totally cracked me up! (The whole Leia's face buried in the mattress just left an image in my head that left me cackling.).
DeleteBut! Beyond just making me laugh, you make some solid points. Especially about the dirty talk--I mean, really. I don't need to know what she's saying, I get the idea. And really, you're right, if it was written out for me it probably would just sound ridiculous. I mean, you're so right there. I mean, i feel like dirty talk is a "you had to be there" kind of thing, and it just ends up sounding absurd out of context. :-)
Yeah, some specifics are better left unsaid I think. Push's quickie challenge response comes to mind here. She mentions Leia saying some particularly complimentary and encouraging things that send him over the edge. Now, could she have just as easily pit the specific phrases in there? Sure. But I think it works better a little ambiguous and honestly we can pretty well imagine what she's saying. I could be wrong though. Someone can write a story to prove it
DeleteLol, Zyra. This is what happens when you leave the kids in charge. :) This strikes me as a conversation the Rogues and/or Wes Janson would probably just love.
ReplyDeleteMeaningful reverse cowgirl sex? Ah, the point we have fallen to. But would still like to read it. ;)
I think you bring up a good point about it being more about the emotions than the act itself. It really is the difference between writing romance and writing well…porn. Not that graphic stuff is bad, but it does come off more like porn and that’s probably not what we are after when we write. Well, at least not yet.
Ok, I fess up, I don’t remember that in Push’s story. Which one was that so that I can go look at it and say that was hot, Push. :)
I wrote it up above in response to Claire's post, but it was their wedding night.
DeleteI mean, think about some of the stories you guys have read. There are a few out there that are more porn-ish than anything else and certain words or things can seem a little jarring and off-putting. I still think especially anything they might SAY during the act should remain ambiguous. Even something as sort of mundane as Leia shouting out, "Yes! Yes!" Just comes off as corny, you know? I guess it's just that one of the things I love about this couple is that Han gets to see Leia in a way that nobody else has or ever will see her, and maybe it should stay that way ;)
Ok, thanks. I saw that. I'll have a look.
DeleteTrue. The harder stuff can be a bit off putting. Describing what they might say in bed just doesn't seem right does it? Hokey almost. Probably right that maybe it should stay that way, but hey, someone might be able to convince me otherwise.
For me even simple phrases can be hot too. I still like your one of Leia getting pregnant and wanting it all the time. :) Just the simple description of Han finding himself on the living room floor with his pants around his knees and his wife straddling him was quite hot. I think my mind can take over quite well from there. :)
No one's mentioned Leia's 40 year old hormones kicking in. Poor Han wouldn't know what hit him. And I mean that in a good way. :)
Chapter 7 of "A Path Forward". Y'all have your homework... ;-)
DeleteAh, now you reminded me of another story she goes down on him, although it's only alluded to, not outright depicted. There was actually a challenge on NHP to write a story about them once Leia hits her sexual peak and wants him... a lot. And in, um, repulsorlifts. But again, just alluded to.
DeleteOh, glad you enjoyed that story :) And yeah, I thought just skipping to that part rather than writing all about Leia attacking him at the door and saying how much she wants his... you know what I mean ;) Actually, if memory serves, and for me it always does, I actually maybe was a little more explicit when I originally wrote that scene and Push made me tone it down!
That doesn't sound like me...
DeleteIt doesn't. But you did. Now of course I'll have to go and find it.
DeleteOoo, can we see the original? :)
DeleteNope! It was only a couple of lines. You're not really missing anything. I even remember when I wrote it thinking, I'm going to try and be a little more daring in how I write this... and then Push seemed to disagree, and that was the end of that experiment :)
DeleteNow you're just trying to make me look bad (and feel bad)!
DeleteWell, geez, now I really wanted to see it. :)
DeleteAmara, are 40-year hormones a thing?? Cause I think I must be getting them a couple years early... just only in my writing life :)
DeleteThey are. I won't say how I know. :) I have heard women hit their sexual peak then. Lol! Well, at least it's something.
DeleteI'm thinking since I wrote this post, no one is going to remember that I have a book review overdue...
ReplyDeleteProbably not, but some juicy joint story might be fitting. ;)
DeleteWell, now it's my turn to call Zyra out on that one...
DeleteNice. Can I vote for Leia forgets all her issues and ends up having hot monkey sex with Han? This post has some great ideas. It would practically write itself. ;)
DeleteAmara, that's a whole other topic we haven't even addressed. If youknowwhatImean...
DeleteI admit, I'm slow. I don't knowwhatyoumean...
DeleteHa! Maybe it's just my dirty mind. I went from 'things practically writing themselves" to people 'taking care of themselves" if youknowwhatimean.... I mean, think Han the entire time between ANH and ESB...(and probably Luke - but not together in any kind of way and not about each other and just okay move on - youknowwhatimean)
DeleteLmao! I love this blog. I didn't mean it that way, Push, but funny. True about Han between ANH and ESB. We didn't even mention that part of sex. But with a man like that around, would Leia really need to? ;)
DeleteAh, yeah, I didn't pick up on that ;) There was a challenge and some stories about that on NHP, which included both of them taking care of themselves separately. I think a lot of the things that are brought up aren't so much because we don't think they'd do them, but because it's rare for a situation in a story to make it particularly important to include such details, you know?
DeleteAlso, once again Push I'm wondering if you forget your stories, because in one of yours they are joking about how patient Han was with her and he makes a joke about how he almost went blind from being so patient.
Why do I need to remember what I write? That's why I have you.
DeleteHe sort of did go blind. Remember Jedi. Maybe that was the real reason. All that time being patient withe her caught up to him while in carbonite.
DeleteI think we can conclude from this post that we all like sex.
ReplyDeleteOn the Falcon, not long after the first kiss:
Leia, standing outside the 'fresher: "What are you doing in there???"
Han: "Going blind!!!"
Just one of the many reasons I'm going to hell.
Lol, I think we can conclude that Han and Leia fangirls are just incredibly perverted! ;)
DeleteAnd LMAO, Stats, you're killing me! :)
Cute!
DeleteI think that is a safe bet we do. Lol. I guess we'll all have a nice trip down there together. :)
All my friends are going to be there. My peeps is pervs :)
DeleteHA!
DeleteLOL stats that is hysterical.
DeleteGuys I think my phone is going to explode. I have email alerts for this thread and I am getting emails like every 2 minutes! This is beyond viral, lol.
ReplyDeleteYep, we are well on our way to a record day here at the blog for single day page hits.
DeleteClearly we need to talk about sex more often! ;)
DeleteYou should rename this place "Han and Leia Sex Writers".
I second that! Imagine all the hits. Being good is overrated anyway!
DeleteBefore I really jump back in here:
ReplyDeleteFolks, you know that Pigtail Carrie wants you to write more dirty fics. Have you ever read her memoirs? She is one randy lady :). I'm sure she totally would want Leia to have a very... interesting... sex life!
Oh, the things Han could do with pigtail Carrie...or what he could do to himself with this picture of pigtail Carrie....
DeleteLol. I was thinking the same thing. "Come on, you know you want to." ;) Looking innocent like that would a pretty big fantasy for most guys wouldn't it?
DeleteOmg, Push! Too funny. Just what would Han do with a pic of her? That wasn't covered in the speedo challenge. :)
DeleteRegarding self-pleasure, what about ESB through ROTJ? I have this idea for some one-off line of Leia's that would probably never play about how she'd touch herself and think about him and then end up crying.
ReplyDeleteSO! Who's seen David Lunch's Mulholland Drive? Kind of like that scene with Naomi Watts, but less depressing and David Lynch-y. Which is kind of impossible...
By the way, the security letters on blogger are starting to say things like:
ReplyDeleteyoUrVEryB aDgiRL 8008
Yeah, I'm not getting any work done today and Han and Leia just keep on kissing up there at the top of this post...
DeleteI'M SUPPOSED TO BE WRITING FINALS, NOT FIC!!!
DeleteYou are such bad influences :)
Oh, funny aside. When I was visiting Push we were sitting up and talking about our fanfic and I think we were just discussing challenges and ways to get me writing because I just don't. And she started saying she should have me write a story about... and then she said, wait, I can't say it, I'll email it to you. Keep in mind, we could've high-fived at this point because we were sitting across a counter from one another. She's giggling while she's emailing me on her phone and then I get the email on my phone and then it said, "You need to write a story where Leia gives Han... you know, that thing she never gives him." Funnier still was that when it first popped up, the little preview cut off at, "Leia giving..." and I already knew exactly how that sentence was going to end :)
ReplyDeleteI didn't write it, by the way.
hehe. Yep, that's how it happened... It's a lot easier to 'openly' discuss these things when you aren't face-to-face with someone.
DeleteActually for a period of time after we first met I was wondering if we'd ever be able to go back to writing and talking about these sorts of things. But, we went right back to it :)
DeleteAnd we can't nag you into wtinitg it? :)
DeleteOh - here's one: the Night is Young by jaimeGirl84. It has Leia performing oral sex, and also includes one of my favorite Han fic lines:
ReplyDelete"Leia, sweetheart… You know I don't like you on your knees."
Hee!
And hey, no-one has seen fit yet to comment on anal sex. Come on, you can say "using the back door" if you want :). Are there any circumstances in which you'd buy it for these characters? Or perhaps in a Fett/Leia pairing...
Oh, yeah, I remember that story. Although I disagree. I think Han has no problem with Leia on her knees ;) I know in that story there was a specific reason for that, though.
DeleteAnd what about this thing in a lot of stories... (Carrie is still staring at me!) where it is implied that Han doesn't like finishing that way? Like he has some aversion to "doing that to her"? Um, I don't think so.
To your second point, I have an opinion there but I don't know that I can possibly "voice" it, even here.
Yep in that story he didn't like her on her knees because he knows that was what she was forced to do to stormtroopers on the death star. The fic is good but mentioning that kills it for me. Not a fan of Death star rape or even Death star blow jobs I'm afraid.
DeleteWell, I'd like to read the story before I venture an opinion if the description was too vague. It might be worth a read if you and push recommend. It looked different, but pretty good.
DeleteAs far as the back door for H and L, I've always been of the opinion why use the back door when there's a perfectly good one up front. :) Just my opinion.
Ok, since you said it, I'll say this was exactly what I was going to say. Who needs the back door when the front door is always open?
DeleteI've peeked at that story. I'm way too monogamous though. I can't do it. Push can attest to my closed-mindedness.
Well said. I am in total agreement.
DeleteOh God! I swear, I read that story carefully, and I knew that he didn't want her on her knees because of something Death-Star related, but I didn't know it was actual forced stormtrooper blowjobs! I would not have made light of it if I'd been more aware of that. If that's so, then why is she willing to do that in the first place??
DeleteI could continue this front door/back door discussion forever, but I somehow feel that any further... explorations in that area might not be welcome?
Ok, relax on the "making light." She's not real and she wasn't really forced to give stormtroopers blowjobs ;)
DeleteYou can't cop out now. Let it out, everyone else has.
Agreed. Go for it, Lady Peter. Of course, I could have said way more myself on the hormones thing, but I'm trying to be good. :)
Delete"If that's so, then why is she willing to do that in the first place??" Maybe she finally got over it, enough to do it? I'm Ok with the "theory" because I don't like to read her doing it anyway... Poor Leia, how selfish can I possibly be? :D
DeleteBut maybe Han hasn't got over with someone doing sexual things for her? IN fan fiction, it seems one common truth that it's very hard for Han to accept stuff like that and now we're not talking about Leia cheating on him but her been abused which should be even worse.
DeleteOh, one other thing about this is you need to remember context of the particular scene you're writing. I'm sure I talked about this in the writing sexy time post, but certain words or descriptions used in one scene might work quite well while in a different situation they might feel very out of place. For instance, I'd certainly (and have) choose to use different wording and descriptions for their first time than I would for, say, a quickie in a closet.
ReplyDeleteSame with stories I've read. In some, the point really is just that they are having hot sex, and that's fine. And the words used to describe it are chosen to fit. But in a more emotional scene, you're really not going to get into the gritty details or use certain coarse language.
Leia and Han having sex is the independent variable. The circumstances including age, location, time, are the dependent variables. Not all DV's are appropriate in all settings.
DeleteOkay, what do you expect from a stats teacher, anyway?
LOL again Stats.
DeleteCome on, lurkers. What happened to you people? A LOT more of you than just this vocal minority used to come out of the woodwork. Come on out and talk. We're all equally embarrassed and therefore equally sworn to secrecy for all eternity.
ReplyDeleteWhen you're in your 50s, you will not be ashamed. Trust me on this.
DeleteIt's bad enough writing it to strangers who (mostly) don't know me anyway. I am pretty sure my blush reflex is just as strong as Leia's.
DeleteI think having kids did it for me. Kind of hard to be embarrassed after that.
Deleteembarrassed, no... but creeped out? maybe a little. I mean, my GYN delivered my children but I still feel vaguely creepy when she asks me direct questions.
DeleteEver wondered about LP's take on "going in through the out door?" Wonder no more, ladies! Just read on...
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I'm not speaking from a perspective of vast personal experience here, OK? But let's just assume first of all that backdoor use _can_ be pleasurable for a woman under the right circumstances.
The next question that you guys have mentioned is why? Why would you want to do this particular act when you had other choices? Why would a woman be interested in this act, and why would a man be?
There are certainly physical differences that make the two very different, and that's one reason. But what is the emotional draw? Is it simply in breaking a taboo? Is being "dirty" enough of a reason on its own? Is it a power play? Is it misogynistic? Or is it just a very different kind of intimacy?
In any fictional universe I'd care to spend time in, with any couple that I could feel good about, performing this act would have to be about this radically different kind of intimacy, and the female partner would have to be a willing (even if not initially eager) participant, who ideally would feel pleasure and gratification.
Uh-oh. I think I just wrote a story outline...
Oh, you are hilarious, and brave :)
DeleteStory line, you say? This is one of the few territories not covered in Leia's new experimentation with sex in 40 Days ;)
I guess I can also rationalize it by saying that of course Han's blaster is so impressive that this act is impossible because it simply wouldn't fit under any circumstances ;)
And seriously, Carrie is STILL staring at me all innocently holding her braids!
You make some excellent points here and well, I'd like to add that this is not something (like um, the 'fisting' mentioned below) that is so out there in the experimentation department that it can just be written off completely. It wasn't even a bump in the road of the 50 Shades repertoire, you know what I mean? So, I don't have a hard time imagining that it MIGHT be something they would do should it be something that either one of them would expressed an interest in.
DeleteAnnnnnnd Good Morning Everyone! Ready for Round 3? :-)
I'm trying to remember but I actually don't think they went there in 50 Shades. I remember him teasing her about it a LOT... and there might have been a toy involved. But as for the exact act we're talking about? I don't think they did. Might have been alluded to. I definitely started skimming after a while.
DeleteReally? Now that you say it, you might be right. There were times I couldn't even follow what they were doing, but I did seem to assume that they went there. Wow, all that and not THAT. Interesting...
DeleteAaand... there's the thread killer. Sorry, folks!
ReplyDeleteI was just thinking that. Come on, people. Don't leave her hanging out to dry here.
DeleteAlthough last night the comments didn't kick in until I went to bed so there is still hope.
Now I have more appreciation for why FettsOnTop was so coy about her shower scene! :)
DeleteIf you're willing to write the story, Lady Peter, I'd be willing to read it. :) I still stand by my there's another perfectly good door, but you make a good case. There has been a story or two where Han and Leia got down and dirty as it were.
DeleteBut omg, Zyra, nice!
OK I know I've been missing for a long time and that's a whole story of its own but I do read the updates by email on my phone and OMG you ladies have been BUSY today.
DeleteBTW I now need to add my son's First Communion dress rehearsal to the list of places not to read this blog on my phone. I am TOTALLY going directly to Hell, without passing GO, without collecting $200. Good thing y'all will be there waiting for me. :-)
ANYWHO... I am pretty sure somewhere in my scribblings I have a few random unattached segments that cast Leia in a more dominant role in the bedroom, not to mention one that I distinctly recall involving the BJ question.
And I've personally written the first time at least six different ways that I can recall. I just never found an actual story to weave around the other versions like I did with the one I published.
Last but not least am I too late to chip in for the Speedo challenge? I have a very different take on the circumstances around the taking of said photo that you may or may not enjoy.
No such thing as too late for any challenge. Although you're scaring me a little if it's something we might not like... Han's stripper days, perhaps?
DeleteI'm not sure I see Leia as being THAT passive so much as I see Han being THAT dominant. But then again, lately I just always fade to black anyway.
LOL Zyra about Han's stripper days. No, nothing like that. it's just when you asked, "why was the picture taken and who took it", my mind went in a very different direction than the ones most of the stories have taken.
DeleteWell, then that's good because it's always good to take the same simple scenario and do something totally different with it.
DeleteHey, JZ! Lol. Uh, yeah, reading this thread in church probably reserves you a front row seat in Hell. :) Of course, I was reading it at work today and I bet people were wondering what I was laughing about. :) Do share the speedo story. I'd be interested in a different take.
DeleteLmao, Zyra. Han's stripper days? Is that when he worked for Xaverri? I'm sure his assistant's outfit left nothing to the imagination. Dang, now that sounds like a story. Han used to be a stripper....oh, my. I think that story would need to be made into a movie.
JZ: I really want to see your take on the speedo challenge. Don't tease us like that.
DeleteOh, and LP, if you write the story, I'll read as well. :-)
Deletewell, it's more of a speedo challenge outline at the moment. I need to flesh it out a little. but I will do my best to get it to you soon. ish. :-)
DeleteJZ who is too lazy to sign in
This is not contributory at all. I just wanted to say that this was the best comment thread I've ever read, anywhere.
ReplyDeleteThis still counts as a contribution.
DeleteYou hear that, other lurkers? We're not demanding.
Works for me too.
DeleteAll comments are welcome Char. And I tend to agree with yours. :-)
DeleteHi JZ! I've been hoping you'd chime in here. Your awesome valentine's challenge story (at least I think it was Valentines?) was somewhat inspirational vis a vis my decision to actually begin writing fan fic. Or erotica, at least.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of which, I just clicked over here from... MS Word. Dun Dun DUN!!
Man! I'm so bummed I missed this discussion last night! My bf came over--and as he always does--commandeered my computer for his personal use. Arrgh! This looked like it was a lot of fun.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, on the BJ front...I do remember reading a fic back in the day where Leia performed this on Han. I can't remember what fic it was, but it doesn't matter. What I do remember, is how upset some Leia fans were about this scene. Specifically, "Leia's a Princess and she would never do that." And I remember replying: "Er, if she loved her prince, sure she would!" But I totally didn't understand what the big deal was. I mean, I would never buy it in a "first time" fic. I just don't see her as being comfortable enough to do that yet. But after the two of them have gone around the block a couple times, and she gets more confidence in the bedroom, why not?
Anyway, there's my random contribution to this very lively discussion. But damn! *shakes fist* I wish I had been around last night!
You didn't miss anything. We've been commenting all day! Funny that people freaked out over that. I believe that I recall another situation in an old fanzine I had where someone was irate at the outright pornography because Han did Leia from behind (front door though because she got pregnant! It seems like anyone that conservative shouldn't be reading these stories in the first place.
DeleteDon't fret, it seems this post might remain popular for quite some time. :-)
DeleteI agree with you on not seeing the big deal on the blaster polishing...
Would like to chip in here and agree with Stonedrose on the thing about not buying Leia giving him a BJ during first time fics. This is my main bug bear with Forty Days to Bespin, which I love dearly, but I just don't see her turning into a super sex kitten after they did it just once. She is so eager to suck on his blaster she even does it whilst he's asleep! In some ways oral sex is more intimate than intercourse and she just wouldn't do it until she was more comfortable with him. But once they were into the relationship a bit more, then absolutely, I'm sure it was something she enjoyed doing for Han.
DeleteYeah, inexperienced Leia, no. Been with Han for a while Leia? Totally. Honestly, some people expect Han to put up with an awful lot without getting anything in return. He's not THAT flawless ;) Also, why wouldn't she want to do that for him? I can see her sort of enjoying doing something for him when he does so much for her!
DeleteGiven some of the fics that are out there and their complete perversion, it's hard to imagine people getting worked up over adult consensual sex acts. Even the non-procreative ones!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of which, "The Raspberry Beret Dialog" is now at 400 words and counting...
"And that's when I saw her, / Ooh, I saw her. / She walked in through the out door."
Oh, my! I do hope you are going to share when it's done. :)
DeleteAnonymous=TrishB, long time lurker, one time commenter. Oddly, I just don't want this comment tied to my google id.
ReplyDeleteTime to delurk on this one pet peeve. This isn't meant to be criticism and I don't think it applies to sexy-time stories written by anyone here . . . but please, please, please do not use the term "fisting" when referring to anything but the act of, well, fisting. I've read more than one story that had Leia fisting Han's shirt, the sheets, or some such. Erm, not exactly. Making a fist, perhaps, but the stories certainly weren't explicit, so I'm pretty darn sure the authors weren't using and/or familiar the term in a sexual context. Now, please excuse me as I blush brightly and melt back into the woodwork.
HA! Guess I need to edit the I'm writing where I have Leia "rimming Han's collar with her fingertips." Oops!
DeleteI think we all need a copy of the Kama Sutra. I have one, have no idea where it is, but it could be worth the search :)
ReplyDeleteHow about that old edition of "The Joy of Sex?" You know, the one with all the... hair. My elementary school friend showed me that one under her parent's bed :)
DeleteOr the "Art of Sensual Massage"
DeleteBEST. THREAD. ON. ANY. SITE. IN. THE. ENTIRE. HISTORY. OF. EVER.
ReplyDeleteAnd it was awesome to see my fav Harrison and Carrie pic as the new background this morning. :) I'll probably be busy at work today so I hope you ladies behave, because I don't want to miss anything! ;)
I make no promises. :)
DeleteNeither do I.
DeleteOne more week of "I find your lack of preparation disturbing."
Alright, I've got something. I haven't gotten so far as to depict any actual acts, just exploring how our couple might find themselves heading in that direction...
ReplyDeleteCome on, lurkers. Nothing else to say on this subject?
ReplyDeleteWe really forgot to even touch on the original main point of the post which was running out of words to describe the same act and if there is anything we can do about it aside from just, not writing them kissing or having sex anymore. Which doesn't really seem like an option. I solve the problem by simply not writing at all anymore ;)
From the readers POV, I think the graphic dialogue totally turns me off. It just doesn't flow IYKWIM. While graphic imagery can really give a story the edge it needs.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, I'm hormonal and it is very cyclic whether I want to read more romantic stories or more graphic.
My spouse can predict my cycle by my interest level ;)
On the how to write... what about taking each non typically sensual piece of the body and writing a sensual description of it. Middle of the back, lower let (calf), middle toe, etc... if you can describe those sensually you can use the same imagery.
And man did I have to be very careful with this thread... my 13 year old has a BAD habit of walking up behind me and reading over my shoulder...I'm only now getting over having these conversations with my 15 year old.
Folks have different tastes and preferences, which is great! I think we can imagine a wide variety of different "Han and Leia"s -- some of which would be quite free-wheeling and experimental, others quite conservative -- but none is "right" and all could be quite plausible. We don't agree on characterizations, so why should we agree on what two characters get up to in the bedroom (or outside of it ...)? When it comes to reading sex in fanfic, we like different things and we write different things. The more the merrier!
ReplyDeleteThis isn't to say there isn't a boatload of poorly written sex out there in all fandoms, but I don't think discomfort or disagreement makes it poorly written at all ... it's just that it is poorly written, e.g. boring, unrealistic/soapy, plodding, etc.!
I'm not sure there is a real answer other than try to vary it as much as we can when we write sexy time. I think YmaSolo has an interesting suggestion about describing other parts. Or describing things that aren't sensual as sensual. That may be the key is to focus more on the nuances in the story you are writing at the time. How are they feeling? What emotions you want to bring up in the reader? What imagery do you want them to see or feel? The act of sex doesn't change, but what you want to focus on and the tone of the story does. I was going to say romance novelists manage to vary it and that, but they are writing different couples each time. I guess I'd probably focus on what am I wanting to invoke at the time than worry about insert tab A into slot B.
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of missing Carrie in her pigtail braids. It was cute. Couldn't we at least get Han in his speedo or looking equally hot? He should get equal time.
And this post is getting hard to scroll through these days. :)
I sent u a story at NHP. Please give it a look. Kimmi
ReplyDeleteI know it's late for a comment. But now I've found this page I'm reading everything to catch up. You girls are awesome. Best. thread. ever!!
ReplyDeleteI've come up with some ideas. I would love to write HSLO fanfics in english, because I have tons of ideas, but my native language is not english, so I'm afraid it wouldn't be as good as I would like. But I'm happy to share my ideas with you, just in case any of you would like to write something.
About having meaningful reverse cowgirl sex and facing each other..... how about a mirror? LOL Han could sit up and embrace her and maybe whisper something in her ear...It depends on her flexibility, but she could lay down on top of him... ;)
I wish I could write this one :(
Sunrider,
DeleteIf you have a story to write, write it! Write it in your native language first and then translate. I'm sure between "Google Translate" and a nice beta reader, you could get your story published. :-)
Here is the funny thing: I used to write supid Mary Sue stories when I was in my teens (as the little hormone with legs I was). And despite de fact that I've been fascinated by the whole Star Wars universe since I was a little girl (I have a pink trunk in my bedroom with all the old EU books. Really) and that I have been in love with Han all my life (as a girl my favourite game was imagine I was princess Leia. I'm sure you'll understand ^^), it never ever went through my mind to write HSLO fan fic.
DeleteI used to collect fanfics from Star Wars Chicks and print them when I was fourteen (yeah, you read it right. print them... I don't know how I survived my father's rage about printing 100 papers in a row, lol) but then I was never able to understand them because they were all written in english and I just couldn't bother with the dictionary. I wonder where those papers are now....
So, I am new to this whole fanfic experience. So I don't know anything about beta readers. Nor about what POV, OOC, IC, AU, means. Oh! Wait! Doesn't AU stand for Alternative Universe or something like that?
So here is the thing. If I write in spanish, I don't think it's going to be the same when translate it to english. I'm very comfortable thinking in english, so if I write a story, I will probably do it in english straight away. Because I wouldn't choose the same words for english than for spanish.
When I read translated books, I can clearly hear in my head how that sentence would be like in english, and it bothers me for some reason. And I don't have that feeling when I read books that are originally written in spanish. So I think that if I write in spanish and then translate that to english, it will sound weird to the readers. Well, if I don't try I'll never know...
I have many ideas about Han and Leia arguing in Hoth. I love when Han pushes Leia's buttons.
Ah well, I must study all night through because tomorrow I take the last exam in university! yayyyy and I keep procrastinating here. ¬¬
But that's because I'm very happy here...
It's 2:30 am here, and I apologize for any mistakes in my writing. It's just too late and I have a ton of stupid information to memorize. Next Saturday I'm watching ESB to get inspired ;)
Well, I can't speak for everyone, but your English was pretty much flawless in this post and there is no way I'd have guessed English is not your first language. Given that, I'd say if you have the desire to write a story you'd have no trouble. Maybe have someone give it a read through to make sure that it all makes sense but that's about it! Glad you decided to join us :)
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