More Episode 7 Discussion

Once again the comments were making the page a little more difficult. You can always go back and comment on old posts, but I think it's a little easier for all of us if the comments are spread over more posts so we don't run into that problem where you have to figure out how to load more and people think their comments didn't post when really they did. 

But clearly we are not done talking about this, so more posting! 

Here's what is probably my biggest gripe about the whole thing. When looking at this story as a whole, when thinking about writing and telling an epic tale such as this, most things we see happen for a reason. Now we can say all we want that hey at least they still loved each other, and maybe there were some happier times and in the end what Han did was for the love he had for his family and his incredible desire to have them back together or die trying. That's all true, absolutely. But what redeeming value does Han and Leia's love story really have? What was the point of it? Just to produce an antagonist for the future movies? Because that's not a good enough reason. We should not have to look at them falling in love and procreating as the worst thing that ever happened to the galaxy, but at least for the time being, that is basically what we are being told. And it is completely unfair for a lot of reasons, and for other reasons also kind of lazy story telling. "Well, those two were together, we'll let them birth the bad guy and that's the end of it."  Uh, no, that doesn't really make any sense.

Even Anakin, who was evil himself, produced some good in the galaxy by having Luke and Leia. I mean, presumably in spite of Luke's failures he will help Rey become just what the galaxy needs. Leia has always been a leader and fighting against the bad guys without ever showing the slightest hint that she could fall to the dark side. While Anakin and Padme's love story was ultimately tragic, at least their offspring have done some good.

Not so, apparently, for Han and Leia. They fell in love, both good people trying to make it work. Both offering something to the other they didn't even know they were missing. They did not NEED each other, they weren't desperate or looking for it, but they found each other and just couldn't help but fall in love. They evolved during the OT. The love and commitment was part of the character development. But then apparently we are told that in spite of that love, nothing good came of it. If they had not fallen in love, we can assume that both of them would've been doing the exact same things they were doing in Episode 7. Think about that. They would've been the same people. Easily that could've happened. Really it should've been more like a ghost of Christmas future type nightmare situation, if they hadn't found each other she'd still just be leading the Resistance, and he'd just be an old lonely smuggler who owes everyone money. I mean forget the fact that if not for Han they all would've died a long time ago, but still. Same people, minus the horrible complication of having Kylo Ren. I would be so much better about Han's death and the rest of this situation if they had another decent kid somewhere.

The only thing them falling in love accomplished was having the next Vader. Of course this is unless later there is more to this story they haven't told us, but as of now, that's it. That is more than a little bit harsh. Just about the only thing that will make this a little better will be if Rey is also theirs and we learn that later. Because at least then their love will have produced something good, something that will help as opposed to just something awful. There can be no redemption for Kylo Ren. The absolute best I think we can hope for there is a Vader-type situation where at the very end he gives us some sign of lightness where he saves Rey or stops fighting her or maybe decides not to kill his mother before killing himself, I'm not really sure. But that doesn't really matter because that all could've simply been avoided if they had never had him in the first place. I would just like to see something, ANYTHING that will ever tell us that there was some good to be had by that love story.

On another note, anyone have any ideas on what the overall point of this story is going to be? Bringing back Kylo? Simply killing him? Something to do with Snoke? Rey being the ultimate super Jedi? Will she struggle with the dark side or is none of that in her? At this point I'm not clear on any of it.

Just some things to think about that I'd be interested in hearing your comments on. But you can of course also comment on all of the other things we've been talking about as well. When we get into the 300 comments in a single post range it gets a little hard to follow!