The blog is 5 years old today. I have this amazing setup (pictured above) and just think it would be really grand if you all could be here with me to celebrate, eat Star Wars cake and lick a Han Solo lollipop with me, but alas, I'll have to lick Han Solo all by myself...
Birthdays and Anniversaries always seem to make you want to look back and remember and I was no different when I started writing this post. First thing I tried to do is remember and declare what my favorite post of all time would be. Sadly, I have a really bad memory and also, I'm totally averse to saying anything is my 'absolute favorite'. I always have runners-up and caveats.
To address the first issue (bad memory), I went back and perused through all the old posts. We have approximately 400, by the way. And that was fun all by itself. I noticed that in the beginning of the blog we did alot of posts where we actually talked about writing and gave pointers and inspired discussion (sometimes). I have to say I miss that kind of interaction and I wonder if I'm all alone in that.
As for the second issue (inability to commit to a favorite), I decided I could name a few of my favorites and not tie myself down to any one and only all-time favorite. This made that task a whole lot easier (at first) and then a whole lot harder when I then had to put limits to my list lest this post become as long as one of my stories...
So here they are, in no particular order, a few of my favorite posts from over the years. Please feel free to chime in with a list (or all-time favorite) of your own:
Universal Han and Leia Fanfic Truths
Ten Inappropriate Times for Han and Leia to Consummate their Relationship
Best Han and Leia Moments in the EU
Two Fanfic Writers Collide
The Entire "Ask Us Anything" Series
Special Guest Posts by Han Solo and by Leia Organa Solo
And, all of our: Misc. Challenges, Quickie Challenges and Missing Moments.
I told you I was no good at picking just one thing! Either way, though, it's been great fun and I look forward to more and more fun to come!
Thanks for the memories!
~Push
Happy anniversary! It has been fun... mostly ;) And sort of crazy to think that when we started this, the fandom was in a bit of a lull and we didn't really have a lot of readers or comments. We were still reading the Fate of the Jedi series and had no sign of any new movies. And Push and I were lucky enough to be in the same place at the same time to go together to see Carrie's awesome show Wishful Drinking.
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of favorites! Sometimes I'll go back and look at old posts and think, wow, that was really clever, wasn't it? Universal Han and Leia fanfic truths is definitely a favorite. And having Han and Leia write "guest posts" was a stroke of genius (Push's idea, by the way) and so much fun to write.
I do kind of miss writing about actual writing and trying to generate discussions in that way. But we've done some other fun stuff too. And who knows, maybe we'll get back into that.
Hopefully you guys have enjoyed. We need to keep each other together and continue to pretend that anything that happens after the OT is all AU now ;)
I know I haven't been here for very long, but all of us commenting together is my favorite part. It's nice to have a group of people who understand how I feel when people start talking about how excited they are for when TFA comes out on DVD. Thanks for the therapy sessions, guys! It's worked me wonders!
ReplyDeleteThe guest posts! the guest posts!
ReplyDeleteThank you for providing a great place to be.
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday! It's been wonderful to have a place where I can share my Han & Leia obsession!!
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday blog! Has it really been 5 years? Where has the time gone?
ReplyDeleteI adored those guest posts by Han and Leia, such a fun idea and I love all the usual discussion posts on when they first did the deed, because that one never gets old.
You're right, Claire. I should've mentioned the "When Did they Do It" Post. It is one of my favorite topics to mill over: http://hanleiafanficwriters.blogspot.com/2012/05/more-fun-topics-when-did-they-do-it.html
DeleteHappy Birthday, Blog! So happy this blog is around for us -- kels
ReplyDeleteHappy birthday blog!
ReplyDeleteNew info on Bloodline: http://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2016/03/14/star-wars-bloodline-posters-show-leia-has-those-who-dont-trust-her Can't wait for this book! I really enjoyed Claudia Gray's Lost Stars and I can't wait to read her take on Leia.
Looks like her Vader heritage gets revealed and it kills her political career. Poor Leia. Was her being Vader's daughter ever made a big deal in the EU? Now that I think about it, it's kind of weird it wasn't a bigger deal for her and Luke...
DeleteFrom the TFA Documentary:
ReplyDeleteAbrams also added some backstory saying that Han couldn’t stay in one place and that Leia couldn’t stop fighting. His nature as a rogue and her nature as a freedom fighter clashed. Against that backdrop, Snoke targeted Kylo because of his powers and potential. The implication was that in the absence of solid parenting, Kylo Ren emerged.
Link to above: http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/secrets-of-the-force-awakens-a-cinematic-journey-breakdown/
DeleteRepost from the JC Han/Leia thread, but yuck. If Del Rey goes down the route of Han and Leia always having a bad marriage, Han being an absentee father and husband, Leia being a workaholic who ignores her family and Han and Leia being bad parents that led to Ben going to the Dark Side, I'll definitely not read any of the new books and disregard this new canon.
DeleteDid JJ Abrams watch ROTJ or did he turn his VCR off after ANH? It's like he totally ignored both their character arcs over the OT. Han in ANH definitely wouldn't settle down, but the Han of ROTJ absolutely would. He commits to Leia and her cause and takes on an official rank to show her how committed he is. We're supposed to believe that after all he goes through to save his friends and after his friends risk their life to save him, he just goes back to being a wandering rogue and neglects his family? And Leia, what war is she fighting after the Battle of Jakku? The war is over. In ROTJ, when WAY more was at stake, she STILL chose to leave the Rebellion during a dire time to save the love of her life. And now JJ wants us to forget all her character development and think she goes back to putting her cause above Han and her son? That after having her entire world destroyed and her family lost, she would completely ignore her obligations as a mother?
Oh and Han and Leia are to blame for Ben going Dark because of their poor parenting, but somehow Rey who has lived in isolation without a family or any friends since she was 5 turned out perfectly okay and incredibly compassionate? A little selective reality going on here.
Right...because they're saying NO parenting doesn't change fate with one character, while saying that two established heroes bad parenting changed fate with another character.
DeleteI guess I wouldn't expect any better than that out of Hollywood, but this is not something that Lucas would have bought. Crazy that the world iew underpinning these films is making me look at the prequels in a more positive light. At least the fall of Anakin was for more believable reasons. - kels
Agreed Ewokee, JJ has turned an epic myth into an after school special. He totally sucks. I'm inclined to ignore the new canon as well. I WANT MY HEROES BACK!
DeleteWas reading in Episode VIII there is going to be a flashback scene to Ben Solo's childhood at Leia's summer mansion. Think Harrison Ford will come back for a cameo?
ReplyDeleteIf true, kind of hate the idea that Leia went back to being a royal type with a "summer mansion" too. I love the way the EU had them living like two citizens of the Republic, albeit ones with high-powered jobs. - kels
DeleteI read that Han or Leia don't appear in it. Rey is searching Kylo's mind and sees a flashback of Ben as a teenager gazing out into the stars and looking lonely at Leia's mansion. No mention of Han or Leia being there.
Deletewhere did you read this? Are there actual spoilers out already?
Deletehttp://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-even-more-magniloquent-new-rumor-intellectual-thread-of-seriousness-for-sophisticated-discourse.50035498/page-127
DeleteThis site represents the actual stories. Those books and movies and other stuff is AU. Happy birthday!
ReplyDeleteExactly Artoo. It is now only fan fiction writers who are keeping the legacy that Lucas created alive, which is sad, but there we are.
DeleteDisney has trashed backstory, text, arcs, and the myth that was the OT in pursuit of a neverending serial. We know Kasdan didn't like Han and Leia or ROTJ. We can be pretty dang sure JJ felt the same way. And appaently both are arrogant enough to ignore what Lucas wanted for the characters he created...
There was a lot wrong with ROTJ, but one thing that was not wrong, but was textbook-perfect myth writing, was the way the arcs of the Big Three ended.
But people need myths and happy endings, especially in stories aimed primarily at the younger generations. Otherwise, since we learn a lot through fiction, we're learning it is all ultimately a hopeless dystopia. People don't change. Heroes don't last. Victories don't last. Love doesn't last, despite our differences.
So maybe this blog is now more important than ever? Just a thought...kels
Ugh sorry about the typos. It is early...kels
DeleteDouble AMEN!
DeleteInteresting.... JJ Abrams says here in this documentary that Han and Leia's dysfunctional marriage was the REASON Ben turned to the Dark Side. I thought they didn't split up until AFTER he had turned? Am I wrong?
ReplyDeleteAre there any official sources that show the timeline because now I'm confused!
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/14/star-wars-secrets-force-awakens-sxsw-premiere
In explaining the character of Kylo Ren, Abrams draws a strong connection from his turn to the Dark Side and his parents’ fractured relationship. Making matters worse was Supreme Leader Snoke, who knew the child of Han Solo and Princess Leia would be powerful and targeted Ben from an early age, corrupting him and then recruiting him to the First Order.
Because what really works in fairy tales like Star Wars is the intrusion of a reality of a dysfunctional marriage for two beloved characters whom we watched fall in love. /sarc
DeleteZyra has said it over and over: we have an actual force of evil in the SW universe that can overtake a person's will. There is no need to go all psychobabble about dysfunctional relationships. The best parents ever in the GFFA (and, actually in the real world, come to think of it) could still lose a child to the Dark Side.
This is a weak Lifetime movie-of-the-week rationale. If Kylo is seduced by the Dark Side WITHOUT the silly psychobabble rationale; if he comes from the light and then turns dark, leaving devastation in his wake, he's a much stronger villain than what we have been given.
This idea that he's now the worst villain in Star Wars, as they say in the doc...not feeling it. Feeling silly real-world intrusion into a fantasy. - kels
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DeleteOh thank goodness for this blog. This whole storyline form JJ is just getting worse and worse. Mckak
DeleteI'm not even going to read these articles or anything because it sounds like they will just be infuriating.
DeleteI'll say one thing, they are doing an excellent job of making sure I don't spend any money on any books ever again. Sorry, no thanks.
Does this mean you won't buy the TFA DVD either?
DeleteI'm torn. I can't wait to see Harrison Ford behind the scenes as Han Solo but JJ Abrams commentary on how Han and Leia's bad marriage and parenting turned Ben to the Dark Side...grrr!
Nah I'm sure I'll get the movie, mostly just for behind the scenes stuff. I find that interesting.
DeleteI kinda wish they never brought back Star Wars now though.
I'm confused though...Didn't the movie specifically say that the only reason they separated was because of Ben going Dark? JJ Abrams is now saying they separated before that?
DeleteI have the interview...What JJ Abrams says is that the Jedi massacre was "the straw that broke the camel's back" in Han and Leia's marriage. He said "Han and Leia's marriage was a deeply unhappy, troubled one all throughout Ben's childhood and was the main reason why Ben sought comfort in Snoke." He goes onto give a back story that Ben was not wanted, he was an accident. Han never planned to marry Leia, he was going to take off after ROTJ to go smuggling with Chewie. He says Han and Leia were never a relationship that would have lasted had it not been for Leia getting pregnant - they were too incompatible. Leia was an idealist freedom fighter, Han was a rogue with wanderlust. Han felt trapped and reluctantly married Leia but resented being a father and husband. To escape his miserable home life which he felt "trapped" by Han would repeatedly take off with Chewie to go exploring. He couldn't sit still. Han and Leia fought about this constantly, and Ben had to listen to their arguments. After their fights, Han would leave and Ben would see his mother upset. This "deeply impacted" Ben's psyche to grow up in such a dysfunctional household and led to a feeling of abandonment by his father that would never go away, and he and Han never became close because Han was away for most of his childhood.
DeleteAt the same time, Leia pushed Ben off on droids and nannies while she was a freedom fighter and neglected him. Abrams talks about a "beautiful irony" that the leader so many look up to to save THEIR families ends up destroying her own by her negligence and indirectly being responsible for the loss of millions of lives. Ben grew up mostly alone. Then Snoke targeted him because he knew of his potential (JJ does not make it clear whether Snoke was a family friend or what relation he had to the Solos). In Snoke, Ben found a father figure, a confidant that Han never gave to him.
When he was a child, Ben found out during one of his father and mother's fights that he was an accident and unwanted. This led to him having a meltdown and he accidentally tapped into his Dark Side powers. Leia freaked out at this and sent Ben to Luke, not knowing how to handle the situation.
Han took off for good not long after this, and never visited Ben once on Luke's Jedi Academy, while Leia seldom visited. Ben felt completely abandoned and unloved by both parents which Snoke used to his advantage. Eventually (JJ does not specify exactly when) he went completely over to the Dark Side and slaughtered Luke's apprentices while Luke was away. His hatred for his father never wavered, blaming his father on his feelings of abandonment and loneliness.
Can you provide a link please, I seriously do not believe Abrams said all of that in an interview. Something isn't right.
DeleteThat's just stupid. Way to go J.J.-Just ruin it for all of the many Han/Leia fans.
DeleteIf their marriage was always so "deeply unhappy" then there would not have been love there that we saw in TFA. That makes Han sound absolutely horrible and not someone Leia would've spoken to really. Also, no conflict for Kylo and Han deserved to be killed by him. Seriously, none of this makes any sense at all, for multiple reasons.
DeleteNow I can figure out what I'll spend my money on instead of Star Wars books.
Yeah, I don't buy this either...this is trolling, as it counters what Pablo Hildalgo recently said about Han and Leia. Plus it is contradicted by the Visual Dictionary and basically everything we know about the characters.
DeleteI work in media and have seen the Documentary. It will be available on TFA DVD, but it isn't available online yet.
DeleteWhen it comes out, you can see it under the section on Kylo's backstory.
Adam Driver is also interviewed and talks about how JJ Abrams sat down with him and told him Ben's backstory and that the reason for his downfall was due to feelings of abandonment by Han and Leia, but primarily Han.
If you don't believe me, check out the articles of people who have already seen it - they saw the same thing.
So just to add, even if JJ said this, he is making shit up that is countered by official sources that say Han and Chewie didn't have adventures together after Han became a family man.
DeleteIt does seem to match up with the ew.com and Making Star Wars articles on Abram's saying Han and Leia's dysfunctional marriage caused Ben to fall to the Dark Side, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. But way to ruin Han and Leia's characters JJ. And you call yourself a fan.
DeleteWhat did Pablo say recently about Han and Leia?
Think someone is messing with us. People who have seen this do not go into as much detail as the poster above, who I think is more than slightly adding their own details to make it sound much worse.
DeleteI once tweeted Pablo about how I thought it was rash for Leia to have a child immediately after Jedi and he replied he didn't see what was so rash about choosing to have a baby with your husband. Someone else asked if Kylo was conceived before or after they were married, and Pablo's answer was something like "that's a personal question, but I would expect after!" So if this is in JJ interview, he can keep the psycho babble head canon to himself.
DeleteOk, but telling an actor backstory to play when you have to have the character have a certain perspective versus the real backstory we may not discover until later are two different things.
DeleteHmm interesting, but no surprise. Isn't what JJ is saying already implied in the movie? Leia says "No matter how much we fought, I always hated seeing you leave". Showing that they had a volatile marriage and Han took off after they fought, which undoubtedly would have an effect on a kid's psyche? He DOES have a point about them being incompatible, though I don't see Han taking off right after ROTJ - Han's a restless spirit, Leia's a control freak. I don't find it a stretch that they would have marital difficulties. But marital difficulties so bad they turned their son to the Dark Side? I grew up with divorced parents and somehow managed not to be a mass murderer. Sounds like a cop out from JJ Abrams.
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I've got to say, if thelse JJ quotes are accurate as to what Disney will treat as canon and not just a way to build up Kylo's perspective that will later be torn down, the outcry will not be just Han/Leia fans. It will be everyone who grew up loving the 3 HEROES of the OT because this doesn't just ruin a relationship ship, it ruins the heroic nature of those two characters entirely. Second, if this is going to be canon, mad props to Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher for not buying into it, because I saw two people there who still loved each other and were broken by the loss of the son they both loved. It makes zero sense for Han to go out onto that walkway knowing he will probably die if he had this kind of relationship with his son. He wouldn't have done it, he would have knownoticed that his son hated him for good reason. He'said not a dumb character. Jj, on the other hand, seems not to understand motivation in the movie he directed, if this is not just more misdirection from the crowd are LFL.
DeleteOK, I'm a long time fan, but new to the fandom. Who is Pablo Hidalgo and why would he have "official" information about backstory?
DeletePablo is the head editor guy at LFL in charge of continuity. His twitter is @pablohidalgo. He's answered a bunch of fan's questions regarding the timeline and wrote the Visual Dictionary. The Visual Dictionary describes Han as a "family man", which seems contrary to JJ Abrams' "absentee father" backstory. He also doesn't make it sound like Ben was an accident, whi/ch goes against JJ Abrams theory. However, the Visual Dictionary does say that Han had "trouble adjusting to a life of peace", but that could mean anything.
DeleteOh, and for all the crowing about how Star Wars is now a "feminist" film and Kathleen Kennedy saying now Star Wars is for girls, it is a TERRIBLE message to send young girls that Leia's devotion to her career was one of the reasons her son turned to the Dark Side. Yes, a woman could never have a career and be a good mother at the same time of course! *rolls eyes*
DeleteExactly- its not only unfeminist but COMPLETELY out of character to depict leia a) marrying a man who has to be dragged kicking and screaming to the alter after an unplanned pregnancy and b) staying married to a man who took off whenever he felt like it. And yes that message from the 1950s that career women ruin their kids can be killed with fire.
DeleteThe person who posted that "interview" with JJ giving the back story of Han and Leia's marriage is trolling us. I've googled all the articles on this documentary screening and none of them mention any of the more integrate details like Ben being an accident and him finding out when he hears them fighting. They all basically say the same thing, which isn't much at all. This person has added all these nasty little details because they probably think it's fun to try and piss off all the Han and Leia fans.
DeleteSorry I don't buy it.
Yup, I said this on the JC Han/Leia thread, but the idea that the incredibly strong, independent Leia of the OT would put up with an asshole husband leaving her and her son all the time to gallivant around the galaxy and being a super shitty husband and father for over 20 years is ludicrous. No matter how much she loved him, Leia would kick Han to the curb and remarry someone nice and stable who could be a good husband and father if he treated her and Ben like that. Sorry, not buying it. This is Leia Organa, not Carrie Bradshaw who would put up with an asshole for years and keep coming back for more. And for BOTH Han and Leia, if their marriage was dysfunctional and always arguing as JJ Abrams claimed, they would have gotten divorced no matter how much they loved each other. Neither of them needed each other, they were together because they wanted to be together.
DeleteAnd why would Leia smile at him lovingly while she said "No matter how much we fought" if she was referring to them having terrible arguments where he would walk out on her after?
For someone who claims he's a huge fan of Han Solo, JJ Abrams sure did his best to completely ruin his character and legacy with TFA.
LOL - journalists aren't going to go into that much detail other than the bare essentials.
DeleteIf you don't believe me, fine. Just wait until you get the DVD on April 1 and you'll see I was right.
You'll notice none of the articles by people who have watched it contradict anything I say.
O........M..........G.....Ouch.
DeleteStill think we are being majorly trolled here. The person claiming to have seen this documentary has used what JJ said and put their own spin on it. I simply don't believe it. Let's not forget that Jason Ward at Making SW also saw this documentary and put up a very detailed report on it on his website. And 90% of the stuff the poster above claims is mentioned by JJ, Jason Ward doesn't even touch on in the slightest. And trust me, if it's worth mentioning, Jason would be all over it. He's not one to hold back.
DeleteThanks for your fan fic, you should think about publishing it.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't split for good until after the massacre, but it looks like the backstory will be that they had a dysfunctional, unhappy marriage and that Han frequently abandoned Leia and Ben to gallivant around the galaxy and that Leia was too busy rebuilding the Republic to be a good mother. That broken home environment cause Ben to turn to the Dark Side. Way to ruin the characters and love story of the OT from someone who claims to be a huge fan of them.
So JJ Abrams is saying that a kid is better off being dropped off on a planet at 5 and abandoned and raised in isolation than being raised by Han and Leia? What kind of monsters does he think they
I'm already hating on TFA for the death thing, but if this is really true I'm out. These bear zero resemblance to the characters I fell in love with. As far as them being incompatible, uh no, not after they both developed as people in the OT.
DeleteThanks for stealing that away from me JJ. Please die in a fire.
Huh...another Indy movie. I wonder if this is the one where we find out Indy beat up Marion and Mutt turned into a Nazi.
ReplyDeletehttp://bit.ly/1QV6wSI
Ok, THAT definitely made me laugh! It wouldn't surprise me, either. Also Indy and Marion have probably split up again, and Indy will die.
DeleteHarrison Ford would never let them kill Indy. But I'll be pissed if Marion and Indy are presented as all OTP and happily married still when their relationship has doomed all over it unlike Han and Leia.
DeleteZyra, if Indy dies, I'm gonna plan a hit on Mickey Mouse. - kels
DeleteGeorge was kicking himself for selling, now I bet he's pulled out a belt to self- flagellate. if the back story books come out and actually portray this garbage( which does contradict Disneys official visual dictionary) it will be the most ridiculous AU stuff ever. Almost laughable( not quite, but you know what I mean)
ReplyDeleteThank goodness there are still other people in the world that don't hold such a cynical view of marriage, children, and the strength of the human will to overcome both internal and external trials.
what is the disney visual dictionary and how does this "version" contradict it?
DeleteBy the way, who here has twitter? I am ewokkey83, and I tweet H/L stuff all the time if anyone wants to follow me.
ReplyDeleteThis whole Leia-as-Rambo freedom fighter for life makes no sense either. First, she was a Senator and trained as a diplomat when we first met young Leia. Did anything in the OT make anyone think that she was going to be anything other than a political figure again after the Empire was defeated? I found it actually laughable in TFA that they made her a General as it was obvious in the OT that her involvement in military planning for the Alliance was nil. That was Dodonna, Madine, Rieekan. Second, if you have latent Force powers, and yu want to be a bad ass freedom fighter...how about, you know, being trained as a Jedi as Lucas basically guaranteed would happen in that scene in the Ewok village? Zero sense. Really. Zero sense. - kels
ReplyDeleteThis whole freedom fighter thing is also contradicted by Pablo who said on Twitter at some point this year that there were "decades of peace" following ROTJ, so JJ's supposed comment on Leia still "fighting" when Ben was a child makes no sense.
DeleteYeah, according to Pablo the war against the Empire ended with the Battle of Jakku which was 1 year after ROTJ. Ben would have been just born then. Then there wasn't another war brewing until the First Order came about 5 years or so before TFA when Ben was already an adult. What was Leia "fighting" this entire time?
DeleteAnd would Han really travel that much as a racing pilot? I see them having one race track on one planet like they do here for car races, and it would make sense that the main racing track would be on the capital planet. JJ makes it sound like he was just gallivanting around the galaxy having adventures instead of having to travel for work.
You're right, Claire. Pablo said that the ST was better to Han and Leia than the EU as it gave them decades of peace before things went bad, while in the EU they always were in the middle of wars, or something like that, right?
ReplyDeleteI kinda think JJ is talking above his pay grade in this interview. Hired to direct one movie, ended up writing with Kasdan when Disney rejected person who should have written film. Yeah, he's an EP on the next one, but that's a money not control position. He can think whatever awful crap he wnts, but not sure this has anything to do with what Disney will ultimately call canon and will ultimately be backstory (although then why Disney let it go on the DVD is another issue).
Sorry, but wasn't it explicitly stated that Lucasfilm is keeping control over what's canon and what isn't, so that the different stories don't contradict each other and the films? Isn't there a group of writers with that specific purpose? Pablo et al can't just "decide" whatever they please. It's a group effort and that's why there's a group in charge of keeping track of canon. If Kathleen Kennedy, JJ, Rian and co. decide that Han and Leia got a divorce 10 years prior to TFA, Claudia Gray can't write them as still together 5 years before. What JJ is saying is what the official storyline is going to be (unfortunately).
DeleteI don't think JJ is part of the permanent LFL story group. I don't believe he is involved with how the novels/backstory plays out except to the extent that it can't contradict his film, which is now canon. He'said given a few answers that are different than Hildalgo, who definitely is story group.
DeleteKathleen Kennedy definitely is part of the story group and JJ works with her. They would not allow JJ to give an interview on the Force Awakens Documentary of what Ben Solo's backstory is without checking with her. It would make no sense that JJ Abrams would give a completely contradictory back story than the "official" one they have planned.
DeleteI'm not sure what JJ posits in an interview rises to level of canon. Films are canon, books are canon, but what we don't know yet is if what JJ said or didn't say in an interview will be formalized in the books (which I won't be buying anyway...so what does it really matter, the movie canon is bad enough).
DeleteThan JJ and Pablo need to get on the same page, as they have contradicted each other already, if what we are hearing in this interview is in this interview. - kels
DeleteThis isn't just any interview, this is an OFFICIAL documentary released as a special feature of TFA DVD. Kathleen Kennedy would not let that documentary which gives Ben Solo's backstory be released if it would contradict the official version of it.
DeleteWhat has Pablo and JJ said that contradicted each other?
Scroll up. Pablo has said that Leia chose to have a baby with her husband, that the pregnancy occurred after the wedding, and that they decades of peace (thus making the freedom fighter thing dubious).
DeleteHe never said Leia "chose" to have a baby, he just said she had a baby with her husband. He also did not give a definitive answer on whether she was pregnant before or after only saying "I'd guess" after.
DeleteLeia being a fighter could mean that she fought for democracy as a New Republic democrat. Just because the war was over doesn't mean there weren't factions of the Empire still around - we saw that in the old EU.
I hate what JJ said as much as you guys, I'm just doubtful that we can dismiss his remarks as non canon when they're released on the official DVD of The Force Awakens (as opposed to say, an interview with Jimmy Kimmel).
I was the one who asked that question. I said it seemed irresponsible of Leia to get pregnant with what she had just learned of her history. His tweet back was that he didn't see what was irresponsible about having a child with her husband. If it is Disney canon (I distinguish Disney canon as we already know Lucas' feelings as to Han and Leia) that Han never intended to marry her and was going to go off smuggling (which makes no sense because there was no functioning government enforcing any kind of law at that point, so no reason to need to smuggle), then the point stands and anyone with a functioning ethical system would see why I would call it an out of character irresponsible action.- kels
DeleteWhen the originator of SW dislikes it, you can say it's non canon.
DeleteThis Disney version is non canon
I'm going to have nightmares to ight that JJ Abrams is writing the next Indiana Jones movie. If you hear terrified screaming coming from Long Island, that's me waking from a JJmare. -cammie
ReplyDeleteI did some internet searching. I'm very good about finding articles, and I found nothing to back up this "accident thing" and new Han/Leia canon. It doesn't exist.
ReplyDeleteI found several articles that JJ says Han and Leia's dysfunctional marriage led to Ben falling to the Dark Side, but nothing about Ben being an accident.
DeleteIsn't it lazy, utterly boring and tremendously mundane in a universe where dark forces can manipulate a good person to the point of falling to evil that Ben becomes a psycho because Mommy worked and Daddy had a job that kept him traveling a lot? He's starting to sound like your average Yalie whining about microaggressions. - kels
DeleteWhich is still bs. I hate JJ
DeleteNot to mention, the two other heroes of TFA had childhoods that were 10x more traumatic than having parents that fought and were busy. Rey was dropped off on a planet and abandoned at 5 and raised in isolation. Finn was kidnapped from his family and was brainwashed to be nothing but a faceless soldier. Even Poe's mom and dad were Rebel heroes and never saw each other or much of Poe (Poe's mom says this in Shattered Empire). So JJ is saying that being dropped off on a desert planet at the age of 5 and abandoned is better than being raised by Han and Leia? WTF?
DeleteHappy Birthday, BLOG! Here's to many more years of Han and Leia goodness :)
ReplyDeleteHI! New here. Recruited by awesome readers at FFDN. As introduction, I will share my theory on how we can be right on Han and Leia having a happy marriage AND JJ can be right about Ben's relationship to his parents letting the Dark Side in(sort of, because he's way off-base).
ReplyDeleteFirst: We are right. These are two people who are deeply in love with each other, but they also have complete individual identities. And they respect that about each other. Han would never tell Leia to get out of politics and get in the kitchen. Leia would never tell Han to quash his wanderlust and mow the lawn. So they were probably apart a lot. But that doesn't mean it was because they didn't want to be together, it just meant that neither one of them had to give up any part of their identity to be partners and parents. And we're talking about two people who had in some ways elevated quarreling to a high art form. So when they were together, there were probably a lot of little spats. In ESB, the squabbling smacks of foreplay- I don't think that ever went away entirely.
"I always hated watching you leave." "That's why I did it: so you'd miss me." That, plus the line readings that we get in TFA says to me that they'd be apart for a while, for whatever reason, and then enjoy every reunion VERY much. Might Ben, a child who doesn't understand the dynamic of argument-as-foreplay and 'two halves don't make a whole, two whole people make a relationship'/ we part company so we can enjoy reuniting have misunderstood his parents' relationship as being troubled? Sure. And even happy marriages have their problems, even happy couples sometimes fight. But I don't think that they would have had awful, hurtful fights (until the end- I think that the first time they were intentionally cruel to each other was when they finally decided to split).
Second point: Every adolescent *ever* has at some time felt like their parents don't understand them. DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince had a hit song about it. Add to that Ben having magical powers that *nobody* understands- not even his uncle who is the only other documented person in the galaxy to have the same powers, and that explodes. Pile on the fact that Han didn't even believe in The Force until a couple of years before Ben was born and probably never got really comfortable with it, and you've got a recipe for teen angst on a galactic level.
IMO: Han and Leia had a normal, basically happy marriage and were the best, most nurturing parents that they could figure out how to be to their exceptional/scary powerful son.
Considering all of those things, JJ's not WRONG, just badly articulating a very nuanced situation. Nice to meet you all. :)
I could almost buy into what Abrams is selling if what we are being sold now is what BEN thinks and remembers due to his manipulation by Snoke, but if over the course of this trilogy he realizes that his perception is wrong and that these memories/perceptions were all along Snoke's creation to turn Ben and lead to the downfall of his powerful mother. Because if Ben figures out that he has turned himself over to the Dark Side based on a lie -- just like his grandfather did -- then watching what happens to Ben becomes compelling. But I think this may may be too nuanced for what as of now seems like it is going to be an incredibly shallow series of films. Happy to be wrong, but I mean, seriously, filming a scene of teenage Ben alone on the grounds of his parents home being sad? Blergh - that's the Snapeiest Snape scene that ever Snaped. - kels
DeleteExcept in TFA when Han said that yeah things were rough, but it wasn't all bad, some of it was pretty good, Leia answers "Pretty good". but her delivery implied more of an "uuuuh, not really". that stuck in my mind as a WTF moment, and now it just makes me furious. JJ is an idiot
DeleteI always took that response as a gentle attempt at their classic banter (I say attempt as none of the dialogue they were given was very good).
DeleteHan said it was good and she took him down a peg. And isn't the very next thing that happens when they hold each other like they'll never let go? So if it was a "not really" I don't see Leia's next move to be holding onto him like that.
Of course, if any of what JJ has allegedly said is true, she wouldn't be holding onto him at all, she'd be kicking his ass and telling him she doesn't need or want is true.
So...it all keeps coming down to the same thing for me: this movie and its backstory make no sense if they're going to continue to insist these are sequels to the OT. It's really entirely a reboot but they're too afraid to admit they're rebooting and were too lazy to crack a real sequel story (which is more difficult).
sorry, that should be "need or want his help."
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DeleteGood to see you here Mandy!
I didn't mind Adam Driver's remarks that Kylo turned to the Dark Side because he felt abandoned by his family too much, because that's just what KYLO thinks, not necessarily what happened. As an actor he has to give himself motivation behind why he isn't an evil villain and how he justifies what he does in his mind.
But JJ Abrams is saying this like it is fact, which is what bugs. Like Kels said, introducing real world psycho babble "my parents fought and they had busy careers" is unnecessary when you have a mystical Dark force explanation as to why he fell to the Dark Side. No one blamed Obi-Wan or Shmi for Anakin falling to the Dark Side. And since we know that he doesn't fall until he's at least 23, why are we blaming the parents for something he chose to do as a fully grown adult? Do we blame parents of mass shooters who go on a shoot rampage in their 20s?
And like I was saying in another thread, a little consistency by JJ Abrams would be nice. If we are supposed to believe this real world psycho babble that Ben turned to the Dark Side because his parents fought and had busy careers, then you can't expect the audience to buy that Rey was dropped off on a desert planet at 5 and abandoned and raised in isolation yet turned out perfectly okay, or that Finn was kidnapped and raised from a young age to be nothing but a faceless soldier and turned out the kind, compassionate person that he is.
I hope you're right Mandy, and that this is more what Ben sees as his parents troubled marriage, not what it actually was. Because I just don't see Han or Leia staying in an unhappy, dysfunctional marriage for over 20 years. The only reason why Han commits himself to her cause and starts living a "stable" life is because he loves Leia and wants to be with her. If they made each other unhappy, I see him just cutting his losses and ending the marriage. Leia, too. They may be in love, but they're both deeply pragmatic people. I do agree that they would have their own thing going on because they are both independent people and wouldn't need to be joined at the hip but I don't believe either would neglect their only child.
I'm just hoping this is JJ Abrams head canon and not what the official story board has decided. Someone was saying that there's a story group making sure all the canon is consistent with each other and that JJ Abrams is part of it, but I'm not sure how much he has to do with the books and comics. To me, it'd be deeply disappointing if a career woman (Kathleen Kennedy) decides that Leia is going to be the stereotypical career woman Ice Bitch who neglects her family to throw her under the bus to make Kylo a more "complex" villain. From the official materials released, it doesn't sound like they are going down that path. The Visual Dictionary calls Han a "family man" which doesn't fit the "absentee father" picture JJ Abrams is trying to paint. JJ Abrams says Han couldn't sit still and was always off adventuring during Ben's childhood, but the Visual Dictionary says Chewie went back to Kashyyk to be with his family after the Battle of Jakku and didn't join up with Han again until after Han went back to smuggling. So who could Han be adventuring with? It takes 2 people to pilot the Falcon...Plus, Jen Heddle saying Han and Leia are happy couple in Bloodline also doesn't fit dysfunctional marriage dynamic, unless you want to believe that they had a bad marriage throughout Ben's childhood, but then it got better once Ben was sent away.
Another quote from the Visual Dictionary about Han and Leia..."Their feelings have stood the test of time, even though the dynamics of their relationship have been forced to change, adapting to face external conflicts, and personal tragedy. The two will always share a love that comes from knowing someone so completely".
DeleteDoes that sound like two people who had a horrible marriage? It doesn't to me at all. It sounds like two people who's love for each other never wavered despite everything the galaxy through at them. The personal tragedy mentioned is clearly Ben's downfall/murder of Luke's students. But you'll notice it says EXTERNAL conflict, which means something outside their private lives, not within their marriage.
It also refers to Han's "years of peace" in his new life as a family man being upturned when the tragedy occurred. Again, would an unhappy marriage bring Han years of peace? I don't think so.
God bless you Claire- :)
DeleteThanks :)
DeleteJust trying to stay positive and find everything I can to contradict what JJ "supposedly" said, which to be honest, I don't think is true. Sounds to me that someone knows which buttons to press to get us riled up and is doing exactly that.
That troll may be making things up about Ben being an accident but JJ does clearly say here that Han and Leia's dysfunctional marriage was a role in Ben going dark: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/14/star-wars-secrets-force-awakens-sxsw-premiere
DeleteAnd here he says that Han and Leia clashed because Han couldn't sit still and Leia couldn't stop fighting and that their absent parenting was a factor in Ben going dark:
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/secrets-of-the-force-awakens-a-cinematic-journey-breakdown
But like I said let's hope this is just JJ's head canon and not what the official story people like Pablo have decided. If Chewie went back to Kashyyk after the Battle of Jakku, how many adventures could Han have gone on? Takes two to pilot the Falcon...
DeleteOne more thing that goes against JJ's blaming of Han and Leia for Ben going dark. Someone tweeted Pablo "I hate it when people say Luke was a bad teacher and that's why Ben went Dark". Pablo's response back was "You know who was responsible for Anakin going dark? Anakin." It doesn't sound like they were going in the direction of blaming Han and Leia for Ben's falling.
DeleteYou must be gathering this from the videos in those articles, because I don't interpret the bullets in the same way you're paraphrasing them above...Or maybe my eyes are somehow skipping over the nonsense.
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Delete"In explaining the character of Kylo Ren, Abrams draws a strong connection from his turn to the Dark Side and his parents’ fractured relationship."
From Making Star Wars:
"Abrams also added some backstory saying that Han couldn’t stay in one place and that Leia couldn’t stop fighting. His nature as a rogue and her nature as a freedom fighter clashed. Against that backdrop, Snoke targeted Kylo because of his powers and potential. The implication was that in the absence of solid parenting, Kylo Ren emerged."
JJ Abrams is clearly saying that Han and Leia's fractured relationship and their absentee parenting contributed to Ben going over to Dark Side.
So is it possible then that they did these documentaries immediately after the movie was released in preparation for the DVD, so that it was more "fresh" at the time. I'm starting to believe you're right, that maybe this is just his head canon and he really doesn't know the actual finer details of the backstory. Things could change. He wanted so badly to create the greatest villain in all SW history, but no matter what, in the words of Rey, Kylo will "never be as strong as Darth Vader".
DeleteThe thing that's odd to me, given Pablo's tweets and the Visual Dictionary, is that the only person saying this is JJ and movie's dialogue, character actions, performances, and published Disney sources (Visual Dictionary, as you and Claire have both noted) contradict to a greater or lesser extent. So for now, I'm going with director head canon that is probably very useful for Driver in performance, but not so useful for Disney in their hopes to sell books and move forward with ST. It would be a mistake for Disney to pimp this angle too much.
DeleteKels - you tweeted something at me yesterday in relation to a comment that Ewokkey made to Jen Heddle. Did Jen actually say something in relation to all of this, because I couldn't see an original Tweet from her in regards to this angle of the backstory.
DeleteNo, she's been silent - was just hoping for a response by including her.
DeleteI didn't interpret Carries delivery as " ugh... not really", because she says how much she missed him when he would leave; that's basically admitting how much she loved him.
ReplyDeleteThose couple of lines of dialog in TFA were cheesy anyway, imo
ReplyDeleteeven with all of Disneys billions, whatever they end up publishing, etc. isn't what the creator, George Lucas, intended.
ReplyDeleteSo...no one 'has' to accept Disneys version as canon. Bottom line.
The SW purists have the evidence from the OT, that supports a very different outcome for all of the OT characters and their futures.
There will always be trolls out there - some people just enjoy being negative; feel sorry for them!
If this actually turns into her husband goes wandering and son turns out psycho because she has an important job - I'm just speechless. Haven't we overcome that stigma? mckak. mother of 3 with important job happily married 28 years no psychos yet.
ReplyDeleteLol- wonderful response Mckak.
DeleteThose crazy comments must be from a troll... I guess we'll find out for sure when the DVDs is released. I'm not buying it- you'll have to tell me...
DeleteEspecially after all the gloating from Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams that Star Wars is now for girls finally and they're going to do a feminist take on Star Wars in the ST with Rey - but let's throw the original heroine of Star Wars under the bus to make our villain more sympathetic? Basically saying she is the villain of the ST bc her poor parenting and bad marriage turned Ben to the Dark Side.
DeleteEven though, you know, long term marriage between differing personality types is not "realism." Especially in a scifi fantasy where "realism" is such a key ingredient.
DeleteEwokkey - Anything you may be tweeting at Jen Heddle, Hidalgo or even Disney or KK if she is even on Twitter, tweet them back at me so I can support you guys.
Deleteare we supposed to believe that they have the technology for light speed space travel but not for reliable birth control? Puh-lease, JJ!
ReplyDeleteSome new interesting stuff:
ReplyDeletePablo's also said in addition to being a racing pilot, Han ran a legitimate shipping company for a time. That doesn't seem to be a job that would require a lot of travel if he was the one on the base running it.
Next, we have some info on how Kylo began his training: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-star-wars-virtual-reality-20160315-story.html
"Trials on Tatooine" begins with the trademark "Star Wars" crawl, informing viewers -- players -- that a young Kylo Ren is beginning his training with Luke Skywalker to become a Jedi. Its first few minutes are somewhat passive, as the Falcon arrives and Han Solo, never seen, speaks to his son. It becomes more interactive the second R2-D2 delivers Ren a blue lightsaber.
"Sorry, kid," says Solo, making it clear that this isn't a lift home."
More to contradict what the person yesterday said about JJ's comments. If you recall in the synopsis supposedly mentioned by JJ in this new documentary he apparently says Han never visited Ben once he was sent off to train with Luke, and this trials on Tatooine has the exact opposite...Han visiting Ben whilst training with Luke.
DeleteI think it's Han dropping off Ben? But I agree, I think that person is either exaggerating or lying.
DeleteI should stop lurking the Reylo threads on the JC every post is blaming Han and Leia for everything Kylo did and saying they were abusive parents.
He's not dropping him off. It's a first person thing with you playing as Ben, and the article says something like "you see Dad arriving in the Falcon". Then later it says something about Han hasn't come to give him a ride home.
DeleteI had no idea this Reylo thing existed, and I'm so glad I've never looked at any of those threads on it. That sounds horrific.
DeleteAh, good catch. It does make me sad that it sounds like Ben was still a child when he got sent away - I was hoping it wouldn't be until his later teens. I can see how he would feel abandoned because of that (not that it means Han and Leia were bad parents).
Yeah, the Reylo shippers have taken over EVERYWHERE, the JC, tumblr, twitter. I feel envious that you haven't been subjected to that obnoxious ship yet. I really hope Rey is Luke's kid now so the shippers can stop after Episode XIII. Most Reylo shippers were never SW fans until TFA and have no feelings for the OT so they have no problem seeing Han and Leia as the "villains" of the ST who forced Ben to turn to the Dark Side with their dysfunctional marriage and abusive parenting. In their mind Kyo is just a victim of abuse by Han and Leia who was raised in a broken home and can be turned good with the love of a good woman (Rey). Before, I was mostly laughing at the head canon they were sprouting, because the idea LFL would turn two beloved heroes into the villains of the ST by saying they made Ben go Dark? I couldn't see it in a million years. Unfortunately, it looks like JJ HAS decided to go down this idiotic path and throw Han and Leia under the bus for the sake of creating a "sympathetic villain". So basically JJ is saying that a kid dropped off at the age of 5 on a desert planet who raised herself in isolation is better being raised by Han and Leia. Wow, Han and Leia must REALLY awful *rolls eyes*
My guess is that the ST is planning a redemption arc for Kylo similar to Anakin, so they're introducing this sympathetic backstory of a broken home, but geez you can do that without trashing Han and Leia's characters JJ. Anakin turned because of Palpatine's manipulations and it had nothing to do with Shmi not loving him enough. It's just sad that those of us who grew up on the OT and this love story are being sacrificed for the newer, shinier characters.
I don't know. The ReyLo shippers may be very vocal, but comparing them to the moviegoing public, they're a very, very small (and kinda disturbing) group, and I don't think the general moviegoing public is going to buy a Kylo redemption arc very easily. JJ's stated reason for Kylo killing Han was something like "to make Kylo the worst Star Wars villain ever." Unlike Vader, who starts out Dark in the OT, we have someone making his final commitment to going completely dark in the first movie of three. If by the end of three, he's redeemed, that's a really rushed character arc and I'm not sure that anyone other than ReyLo shippers buys it - it's like squishing Anakin's arc into 3 films PLUS the character killed one of the most-loved Star Wars characters ever PLUS it's patricide. I don't think Kylo can be redeemed - I have a feeling we're going Jacen and Jaina, but with cousins instead of siblings, and Rey, a girl raised without a family, will have to decide if she can kill a family member (and will have to come to the opposite decision Luke did re Anakin).
DeleteI was uncertain before what they were going to do with Kylo, but now with JJ's comments and the huge push for Kylo merchandise (including a game where you play as him in first person) I'm almost certain they are going for a redemption arc. JJ is trying to introduce a sympathetic backstory of "it's not his fault, he came from a broken home and was manipulated by Snoke from a young age" and buy his eventual redemption. It also makes the legacy of Han and Leia not quite so dark, that the only thing they ended up producing was a monster.
DeleteHowever, I am positive it is not going to end up the way the Reylos are hoping with Kylo and Rey skipping happily off into the sunset together to get married. Kylo will either pull a Vader and sacrifice himself to save the galaxy, redeeming himself at the last minute (hey, they copied ANH beat by beat in TFA, why not ROTJ), or he'll go into exile with probably Leia who's the only one who can forgive him. There's not going to be the complete white washing of his deeds that the Reylo fans are hoping for (Han deserved to die because he was an abusive husband and father who beat Leia and Ben and Kylo hates him because of this, Snoke was actually the one who committed the Jedi Massacre and he framed Ben, the villagers deserved to die because they were secretly terrorists....)
TFA script describes "the act" as weakening Ben's connection to the dark side. so who knows what they will do. The script also describes Rey & leia's hug at the end as "a mothers embrace". So the kylo and rey may be siblings after all.
DeleteDaisy Ridley and Pablo have both said Rey is not Han and Leia's daughter.
DeleteThen that means Leia loses her entire family, cuz I agree there is no way a disney movie is going to let a villain ride off into the sunset.
DeleteThe ST is a tragic mess. It will never be canon to me.
and JJ has contradicted himself all over the place-first he said that "that scene" was necessary to make Kylo the audience believe he is worst villain the SWU has ever known and now he's trying to make us feel sorry for him? He needs to figure out what kind of story he is trying to tell. The movie is finished & it seems like he still doesn't know. He's a moron.
DeleteIf the script says it weakens his connection to the Dark Side then why is one of the two writers of that script saying the act made him the worst Star Wars villain ever? That is an outright contradiction.
DeleteIf the script says it weakens his connection to the Dark Side then why is one of the two writers of that script saying the act made him the worst Star Wars villain ever? That is an outright contradiction.
DeleteLeia isn't going to die in Episode VIII at least. The director for Episode IX mentioned both Luke and Leia are going to be in the film.
DeleteIt does sound like she gets tortured and spends most of her time off screen recovering from her injuries though.
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/a-laura-dern-star-wars-episode-viii-sequence-description/
In one of the scenes shot in this stage, a rag-tag group of Resistance fighters have seen some battle. Cut and bruised, they and Poe Dameron are on this ship when Laura Dern, playing some sort of captain or officer. She tells the fighters that they are the last of the rebellion/resistance (I’m unclear on the exact phrasing of the line, so no capitalizing the Resistance) and that Princess Leia has been gravely injured and is receiving medical attention.
I wonder if this has to do with Carrie not being quite up to doing action sequences and Laura Dern still being able to? I know Carrie had a lot of difficulty remembering her lines in TFA and I wonder if they've scaled back her role because she's been out of the acting game for so long. It'll be kind of sad to just see her in a hospital bed for most of Episode VIII though.
http://uproxx.com/movies/harrison-ford-farewell-tour/
ReplyDeleteThis is a lovely article, in which the author hits on Ford's performance in TFA...while simultaneously showing how much people aren't really going to buy into focus on the Han/Leia bad parents angle and why the performance contradicts it.
The new excerpt from Bloodline describes Leia as Leia Organa Solo so it seems like she dropped the Solo after her and Han separated.
ReplyDeleteI get the feeling she might take the name back in the next film. Unsupported hunch.
DeleteDo you have a link to the Bloodline excerpt? Thanks.
Deletehttp://boards.theforce.net/threads/han-and-leia-in-the-eu-a-discussion-thread.50038703/page-12
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ReplyDeletewrite Han as being sad that she went back to using her maiden name. And when giving justification, I have Leia saying that the Republic already has a General Solo- basically saying that she wants him to be there fighting along with her. Because I make stuff up to make myself happier about whatever Disney dishes out.
ReplyDeleteOf course, if we were to go with Alderaani naming conventions (as they are currently understood) then he should have been the one to change his name. Technically, according to Alderaan, he's HRH Han Solo Organa, Prince Consort; which is *adorable*.
And, holy wow the hoops Google in Germany is making me jump through to get this comment to post :D
Hmm, the new summary calls her Leia Organa. Maybe she goes by Leia Organa Solo in her personal life and Leia Organa profesionally? Would make sense, given how respected Bail Organa was in the old Republic.
DeleteWITNESS THE BIRTH OF THE RESISTANCE
When the Rebellion defeated the Empire in the skies above Endor, Leia Organa believed it was the beginning to a lasting peace. But after decades of vicious infighting and partisan gridlock in the New Republic Senate, that hope seems like a distant memory.
Now a respected senator, Leia must grapple with the dangers that threaten to cripple the fledgling democracy—from both within and without. Underworld kingpins, treacherous politicians, and Imperial loyalists are sowing chaos in the galaxy. Desperate to take action, senators are calling for the election of a First Senator. It is their hope that this influential post will bring strong leadership to a divided galaxy.
As the daughter of Darth Vader, Leia faces with distrust the prospect of any one person holding such a powerful position—even when supporters suggest Leia herself for the job. But a new enemy may make this path Leia’s only option. For at the edges of the galaxy, a mysterious threat is growing. . . .
Some new info on Aftermath: Life Debt the Han/Chewie book that comes out in June (takes place 6 months after ROTJ):
ReplyDeleteSome new Info on Aftermath: Life Debt:
This book finds them being a team, and suddenly getting interrupted by Princess Leia, when she discovers that Han and Chewie are in a bit of trouble. Before Han can settle down with Leia, he has one last debt to pay. This is a story of our favorite BFFs on Chewie's home planet.
Interesting, because according to the timeline Han should already be married to Leia and Leia already pregnant, so it seems odd to phrase it "BEFORE Han can settle down with Leia".