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Oh my goodness...such terrible news.
Update: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2471698/carrie-fisher-has-been-hospitalised-following-a-massive-heart-attack/Really hoping she pulls through but this doesn't sound good :(
It happened about three hours ago. Guys, I have a bad feeling about this.
This is really not good. I'm holding back my tears as best I can. She was unresponsive for ten minutes before they got her back. One article I read said the prognosis is not good and she's listed as critical. Please pull through Carrie....we all love you
According to my friend who's an ER doctor the chances of surviving something like that are about 10% :(
Prayers for Carrie. She's had a hard life and she's as tough as nails. She's beaten a lot of odds in her life, and I hope that she does once again. And prayers for her family and friends, especially her mother and her daughter, as well.
Oh, so sad. Hang in there Carrie, we love you!
I heard about this. Lord...
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Carrie Fisher is in stable condition after suffering a medical emergency aboard a flight Friday.Her brother, Todd Fisher, told The Associated Press that she was "out of emergency" and stabilized at a Los Angeles hospital Friday afternoon. He said he could not discuss any other details about what happened.The "Star Wars" star suffered medical trouble during a flight from London and was treated by paramedics immediately upon landing in Los Angeles around noon Friday, according to reports citing anonymous sources. Celebrity website TMZ, which first reported the incident, said anonymous sources told them the actress suffered a heart attack.Fisher's publicists and representatives for her mother, Debbie Reynolds, and her daughter, Billie Lourd, did not immediately return calls from the AP.
I really, really, REALLY hope this is true. Although I have a hard time believing it if the prior reports of no pulse for 15 minutes were true. And I wonder whose definition of "stable" we are using. But please, please let this be true and she'll be ok.I want her to see the outpouring of love and support from her fans.
I hope she recovers and gets to read all the Tweets and the messages from all over the world. And I'm sure she'd make some sort of joke about her being "stable" now, though, if she could. Oh, I hope she's okay.
She'd get such a kick out of the comments and the goings-on in the Twittersphere about her right now, I'm sure. It's so abundantly clear how many people love her, and are rooting for her to pull through. She's a fighter. If anybody can overcome this, it's her.
I don't want my comments to be taken as the wasp in the jam here, but I do want to sound a note of caution. Health care is actually one of the two fields I've actually worked in, and my family is crawling with both health care workers and sick people, so I know a little bit about this. Others likely know more.The actual Todd Fisher quote is "stabilized" and "out of the emergency room," per the Hollywood Reporter. That doesn't necessarily equal "stable" condition in medical parlance, and people are running all over twitter saying "she's stable." We need to take a step back on that. People can be "critical-but-stable" etc. If her heart did stop beating today, and she's on a ventilator, the likelihood that the hospital has her listed in "stable" condition is pretty much non-existent. If she's not on a ventilator and her heart didn't stop beating today, well, all bets are off and she may well be in medically stable condition. Likewise, the fact that she's not in the ER anymore tells us little. There are many reasons someone could be taken out of the ER with some of them being very good (no need for it), some of them being very bad (ERs wanting to preserve their statistics if something is going south), and some of them only applying when you're famous (as an ER offers no privacy and the most possibility of HIPPA violations). So we really don't know anything there either.Finally, we don't know if she had a heart attack on the plane. We are told that she went into cardiac arrest, which can becaused by many things, one of which is a heart attack. We also don't know if she went into respiratory arrest - it seems our sole source on that is an actress who was sitting in the row in front of her and tweeted about it (rude, lady). We do know (at least I think we know) that the EMTs used advanced life support, so things were pretty serious.So we just don't know what's going on. We're in the "bad information" stage of all this. I'm just going to keep her in our thoughts and prayers and acknowledge that she's a tough woman who has overcome a lot in her life, and pray that she can overcome this too, whatever it may be.Anndd...I just read she is in ICU and her brother says they don't know what the condition is. So...yeah. If you're a praying person, pray. If you're not, good thoughts.
http://www.etonline.com/news/205791_carrie_fisher_intensive_care_unit_after_heart_attack_brother_says/Here's the article from her brother.
ICU is not generally a place a lot of people come out of. The fact that they know nothing tells me they are probably waiting to see if her brain survived without the oxygen. I'm sure stranger things have happened. This is just so sad.
yes...if she was oxygen deprived, without a pulse for 15 minutes( seems to be some conflicting reports out there about the details), that doesn't bode well for a positive outcome. Let's continue praying for Carrie's recovery
I will give you some hope on that count...my dad was 54 days in ICU, 31 on a vent, after a horrible surgical misfire 10 years ago. Still alive. But yes, oxygen starvation is a huge problem given the cardiac situation
Our BiPolar Princess is a tough cookie.
Carrie Fisher's brother is now saying he never said she was in stable condition: http://makingstarwars.net/2016/12/star-wars-legend-carrie-fisher-has-suffered-a-massive-heart-attack/
I just feel sick to my stomach.
People do come out of the ICU. My mom was in an ICU for a month. She was older. Different issue, but she was on a ventilator for a week. Possible...
And still no updates this morning. I guess we can still hope for a miracle. It's not like she is a stranger to her body going through hell and coming back.
Not that this should be surprising, but Harrison is also saddened by this news:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/carrie-fisher-suffers-heart-attack-mark-hamill-star-wars-costars-friends-send-love-social-media
I wish I was on twitter to hold out hope for our princess. The jokes about 2016 sucking and taking too much are all over the internet. No kidding. This year blows and needs to leave our princess with us. If it was a heart attack, those are survivable. My mother is fine after one but it was minor.Praying for our girl. Love you Carrie.
Sorry, thought these were cute and about right.https://mobile.twitter.com/freedom2marry/status/812430008736239616https://mobile.twitter.com/MattFnWallace/status/812454682585010176?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Oh absolutely these things are survivable. My mother has survived 2 heart attacks AND a cardiac arrest. But hers actually happened at the hospital, so she was in the best place and they managed to get her back pretty quickly. The worrying thing with Carrie is how long she was unresponsive for. I've heard various reports from anything from 10 to 30 minutes. I hope and pray a lot of what we've heard is exaggerated, but it's a real concern that we haven't had an update for a very long time. But I guess no news is good news.Ugh, this is so horrible. We should be happy, it's Christmas. But with our girl fighting for life, there's not much to be happy about. God knows how Billie, Debbie and the rest of the family are coping. My heart goes out to them.I had a sobering thought...it's the 40th anniversary of SW next year...I can't imagine it without our dear Princess :(
One tiny good thought I had, she was very fortunate to have had this happen on a plane with some medical people who could almost immediately start helping her. I don't know that she would even be alive right now if she hadn't had this happen until she had gotten home later or something. I still don't feel good about this at all, but it is nice to know she was being cared for almost immediately.
That's the one good thought I'd been hanging onto, too. She was flying from London to Los Angeles; If they'd been 3+ hours into the flight, somewhere over the Atlantic when it happened, she'd be gone. The fact that it happened 15 minutes before they landed is very fortunate. I'm pleased that Harrison gave a statement and called her his "dear friend" --- no stilted weirdness or long silences from him that people would almost certainly interpret as a reaction to "The Princess Diarist" revelations.
Absolutely agreed. I liked the headline from one of the fake news outlets when he released that, it was something along the lines of "no, we're not crying - you're crying...but we need to take a moment." I think that's how a lot of us have felt.
It's kinda quiet in here. Is there a more active discussion of this going on somewhere? I'm rlly struggling rn, i'm not feeling optimistic, and the lack of updates is killing me :(
I don't know, but then I also haven't looked. Perhaps try the Jedi Council Forums on theforce.net? They have many, MANY active users. It's also tough because it's Christmas eve and so many people are busy with other things, less time to just sit on the computer and see what's happening.Honestly, Twitter is your best bet for immediate updates. When there is a update, that is going to be the speediest place to see it because news spreads so fast there. It's dangerous though because I keep staying there and it updates constantly and there has been zero news for like 16 hours and it's not really helping.
Be careful over at Jedi Council forums. I wandered over there last night, and there was waaaay too much discussino of "ZOMG! What will this mean for Ep IX" going on. Not to say that I have not had that passing thought and shared it with one person. But the number of people who were discussing that last night made me want to say "How about we all make a bargain with God that he lets us keep Carrie Fisher but takes every last one of you?"They may have cleaned it up by now, as a lot of people seemed to be responding with the "Are you #(@& kidding? What does that matter?" card, but it was a little stupid over there last night. I find it to be a wretched hive anyway.
Let me clarify: people were discussing how this may be a problem for EpIX *in detail* over there last night, not just saying..."gee, not important now, but I did have a passing thought..." (which is a passing thought I think a lot of SW fans have, about what happens on many different levels when, as will be ultimately inevitable, we lose members of the Big Three or they can no longer work). It was the need of some to have a detailed convo about how this may impact a movie that was galling.
I'm a regular poster at the JC and didn't see any of that although the only threads I were reading were the Carrie Fisher one https://boards.theforce.net/threads/carrie-fisher-leia-organa-in-episode-viii.50035747/ and the Han/Leia one: https://boards.theforce.net/threads/han-and-leia-in-the-eu-a-discussion-thread-life-debt-spoilers-must-be-tagged.50038703/page-120 Just a lot of well wishes, praying and hoping for the best for Carrie. I might have read a post or two wondering about her future role but those were quickly shut down by the regulars.
I'm glad that Harrison Ford sent Carrie Fisher well wishes "to a dear friend." I really thought that he wasn't going to do that, considering the affair reveal and all. Thank God he did the right thing.
I took it completely differently - that he said something meant that it was really serious. Mark tweeted and then was on radio silence for a long time (he's posted a few things today) and then Harrison did that...that scares me. Billy Dee, Tony Daniels, Peter Mayhew have all tweeted. Also, I haven't seen or heard word one out of Paul Simon so...I sent a tweet at CBS for referencing the affair in their note on her in the hospital tonight. That was really not classy at all, regardless of whether she's "gotten attention lately" for revealing it. She's important without that - it came off very crass.I really hope she's okay but I am worried.
I hear ya. His tweet could've meant that, to. Neither are mutually exclusive.
Just stop it, 2016. Just stop it already. You've been a sucky year. Don't you dare take Carrie!
Here's the latest news story I can find datelined tomorrow morning from Daily Telegraph UKhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/23/star-wars-actress-carrie-fisher-suffers-massive-heart-attack/
If they are doing that new-ish hypothermia protocol which seems to have had success in decreasing neurological problems in people who have had cardiac arrest, there likely wouldn't be much to report today, as she would be on ventilator, heavily sedated, and they would keep the core temperature down for about 24 hours and only start rewarming her after that, and that is all a slow process too from what very little I know about it.Continued prayers & thoughts that we get to hear her jokes someday about the irony of her ending up being the one who was frozen.
They've done that for the heart, too. It was found in studies to heal the heart and give it time to rest.
They have a heart pump that can help heart to heal too. Not sure it applies here but amazing body can heal itself like that.
Her brain is actually more likely the bigger concern at the moment. The heart heals easier. Brains have a point of no return when oxygen goes away that there is no coming back from. My guess is this is what we are waiting on, and chances are there won't be an answer on that until tomorrow unless she actually wakes up today, which would seem unlikely, but I suppose possible. Carrie has an amazing brain, I hope it is still firing off witticisms even in her unconscious state and she can share them with us later.
Zyra, that's what I'm worried about too...
Merry Christmas, everyone. I'd write a Christmas post but it doesn't feel appropriate right now. Let's all hope for a Christmas miracle. Still no word at the moment, but there is a very long "wait and see" period for instances like this. People have come back from worse. She has come back from some pretty bad stuff. I do hope for some good news soon.On the plus side, the outpouring of love and supportive messages for her is so uplifting. It's really nice to see people rallying around her like that. She is very loved.
Merry Christmas everyone. I keep hoping for a Christmas miracle and good news. The outpouring of love is wonderful. Hang in there everyone and enjoy the day.
Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!For some reason there's this restless teeny weeny nagging feeling that prevents me from completely celebrating and enjoying the holidays, to think that I haven't been a fan of Carrie for that long yet. Regardless, this news made me feel the way someone would when a dearly beloved aunt or relative fell ill and went into a comma. Every time I look up Twitter periodically for updates and my weak ass mobile internet takes a good 15 seconds to load up pages, you have no idea how cold I feel and how much my stomach sinks in between. It's not even a bad feeling, it's worse because well, from her words, it could be worse. Please hang on, dear sweet Carrie! You are so invaluable and is such an inspiration in life when it comes to not taking it way too seriously no matter how dark some of the things it throws our way at sometimes. We love you way too much that we cannot even imagine....damn. And yes at Zyra, the landslide of support is so...wow. Nothing short of amazing. You would think that for an aging actress who hasn't been in the limelight for so long, people would forget but no. That itself was quite touching. I pray that she will recover enough to know these things. Please continue with the prayers and the good thoughts.And yep, not at all surprised with Harrison speaking out. My stand with the whole thing is that it happened so long ago and that affair happened to be an embarrassing event that happened once upon a time in their lives and of course in time they got over it and a fond friendship replaced it instead. She's one of the few persons who got to know him before his fame went supernova. It's personal and private, yes but it's also prehistoric. Carrie probably only gets a free pass about the whole thing because he's guilty as charged and heck, he lets her get away with it like some of you would if you know a friend would get a kick out of telling embarrassing anecdotes about you. As she says, "I know the whole thing embarrasses him. That's what it's for, to embarrass all of us again." I have lots of things to say on the matter but this isn't even the right time. Just glad to know he and everyone else really genuinely cares and a friendship was there after all.Oh, dyall happened to read her tweet 4 days ago?"Is your body decaying and death marching ever closer? Are the sands of time so cruel they should be arrested and sent to a cardiac beach? Get CGI, perspective, and deal with it."Always charming of Carrie.Okay, this comment has turne into a chapter. Sincerely apologizing for the word vomit. I am now leaving everyone with this really fond picture to remind us of the good times and cheer us up in times of despair, in case you haven't seen it.It's a stolen photo of Harrison, Carrie and Mark on a picnic/beach? Frank Oz (and Spielberg?) is even in the background.http://66.media.tumblr.com/c62ebffca281f3c99e9fa63b05279a8f/tumblr_o75dqpz4O01v687vyo1_500.jpg
Don't see Mark but that's such a charming picture...I think there will always be that sense between the three of them that this crazy thing happened to them and it will always cement them together (sort of REAL Luke, Han & Leia. Speaking of, Hallmark has a fantastic e-card that has all the OT hugs between them - it's so sweet). It's like being in the Beatles - no one else has that experience.I mean, here's what Mark said about Harrison back in 2001, that he's "like that cartoon where a little frog sings and dances brilliantly but then, when somebody shows up, he won’t do it. He is one of the funniest people I ever met. He’s wacky and goofy, he even dances, until somebody walks into the room, and then he’s back to that cool Harrison persona.”They had the movies, the press tours (amusement parks at night and food fights??) - no matter how it all shifts, that will probably always be there for them.
Waittt you mean thats not Mark in the sunglasses standing behind Carrie. Frack ashgfjighjklDitto with everything that you said. They did this gig for six whole years the old school way, which I would assume meant that they had to experience the filming and fame that came with it for the first time together with no vip treatment whatsoever in a more challenging and less comfy environment... I mean if not friendship then some sort of bond or attachment at least came out of that right? I remember Carrie saying something like at the tail end of the ROTJ filming everyone was so sick of each other already that when the time came to wrap up for good, it felt like the last day of high school where there's locker clearing and you just can't wait to not see everyone ever again.
Some good news: https://m.facebook.com/thedebbiereynolds/photos/a.228866257252498.1073741828.227597847379339/810616899077428/?type=3&theater
Let's all hope that Debbie's version of "stable" is the same as the doctors'. Now George Michael has left us. I have no personal attachment to him, but that's sad as well of course. This has been such a bad year!
This year seriously needs to bugger off. Ugh. Time for a new year and a new start!
Another day of waiting for us, I think. I know I'm sure I sound like a know-it-all since I'm not even a medical person, but I just keep on speculating. My guess is that if we do not get outright BAD news today, we may have reason to be at least a touch more hopeful. I am incredibly nervous about being hopeful at all these days, but I really, really hope for her to be ok.
I keep thinking about her daughter, imagining how tough this must be on her (and on Carrie's mom and all those close to her). It's heartening to hear that she's stable (i.e. not getting any worse) but I don't suppose they can say anything at all about the condition of her brain until they wake her up. I think that could be anywhere from 72 hours post-event, up to a week or more? I am hoping with everything I've got that she will make a full recovery, with her beautiful mind intact.
This lack of updates is awful. Come on, Carrie. Hang in there and pull through.
Feeling sadder as the days go on...just so sad. She's too young and has overcome too much for such a severe medical crisis now.
She's passed away :( http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/carrie-fisher-princess-leia-in-star-wars-dead-at-60-w457713
I am just gutted. I can't even believe it.
No words. Rest in peace, dear lady.
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May the angels and saints greet her in Paradise, welcoming her to eternal happiness in Heaven.
That just started me off again. Those lines about the angels greetings someone in paradise are the part of a Catholic funeral that put me on the floor weeping even if I didn't know the deceased.
NO. just no.